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Vasari Loyalist Permanent Artifact

May 16, 2012 2:34:53 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

Not sure if this is intentional or not but if you scuttle a dead asteroid at which you own an artifact, it turns into an asteroid field and you get to keep the artifact permanently. For example, try taking a planet with an artifact, scuttle it (becoming a dead asteroid), colonize, and scuttle again.

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Reply #1 May 16, 2012 3:42:43 AM
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If that is indeed the case, I propose that killing the Titan would make the artifact pass hands, even to non-vasari factions. The same logic would be true to all races. although only vasari can make the artifact movable, everyone can lose it to its neighbour.

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Reply #2 May 16, 2012 5:15:00 AM
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Noticed this too,  i lost two  when i scuttled their planets. But for one of them i managed to hold onto it permanently, so probably a bug.

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Reply #3 May 16, 2012 8:36:04 AM
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Quoting Brazilian_Joe,
reply 1
If that is indeed the case, I propose that killing the Titan would make the artifact pass hands, even to non-vasari factions. The same logic would be true to all races. although only vasari can make the artifact movable, everyone can lose it to its neighbour.
That wouldnt be a great idea since the Vasari Loyalist player can just research the Stripped to the core tech and not build a titan. This would leave him permanently in control of all artifacts that were present on the planets he stripped.

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Reply #4 May 16, 2012 8:54:09 AM
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Quoting Teun-A-Roonius,
reply 3

Quoting Brazilian_Joe, reply 1If that is indeed the case, I propose that killing the Titan would make the artifact pass hands, even to non-vasari factions. The same logic would be true to all races. although only vasari can make the artifact movable, everyone can lose it to its neighbour.That wouldnt be a great idea since the Vasari Loyalist player can just research the Stripped to the core tech and not build a titan. This would leave him permanently in control of all artifacts that were present on the planets he stripped.

Not having a Titan is quite a setback right? Those beasts are essential in Rebellion. Holding on to artifacts by not building a Titan is self-defeating.

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Reply #5 May 16, 2012 10:40:35 AM
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Quoting Brazilian_Joe,
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Not having a Titan is quite a setback right? Those beasts are essential in Rebellion. Holding on to artifacts by not building a Titan is self-defeating.
True. Yet the Vasari have very strong ships. With a large fleet aided by some capital ships they should be able to manage without a titan.

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Reply #6 May 16, 2012 1:04:01 PM
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I did some further investigation and I think it is probably a bug. It seems you only get to keep the artifact if you double scuttled the planet (as in you colonize the planet, turn it into dead asteroid, colonize, and turn it into asteroid belt). If the artifact started on a dead asteroid or asteroid and you scuttle it, it gets grayed out.

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Reply #7 May 16, 2012 1:42:49 PM
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Yeah, that's a good point, it should be consistent either way.

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Reply #8 May 16, 2012 3:31:09 PM
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Honestly I think they should just not allow artifact worlds to be devoured beyond the dead asteroid point.  It's needlessly complex and subject to abuse to do it any other way I think.

 

For example in the Artifact World game setting, if titans carried artifacts the vasari could just load said artifact onto their titan and use Phase stabilizers to waste time until they win without there ebing much the enemy could do to stop them in a reasonable timeframe(especially with it's teleport and ability to drop phase stabilizers the VLT is not easy to catch when it focuses on escape).

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Reply #9 May 16, 2012 3:36:45 PM
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Quoting bilun,
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Honestly I think they should just not allow artifact worlds to be devoured beyond the dead asteroid point.  It's needlessly complex and subject to abuse to do it any other way I think.

That's a good possible solution too. or just plain removing the artifact effects from the game session.

Perhaps devouring an artifact planet into oblivion would render extra resources to compensate the loss.

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