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Evolution has gaping holes

Intelligent Design IS a gaping hole

August 13, 2005 11:25:03 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Evolution has "gaping holes".

Intelligent design IS a gaping hole.

"To explain the origin of the DNA/protein machine by invoking a supernatural Designer is to explain precisely nothing, for it leaves unexplained the origin of the Designer. You have to say something like 'God was always there', and if you allow yourself that kind of lazy way out, you might as well just say 'DNA was always there', or "Life was always there', and be done with it." --Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker : Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design p. 141 Buy the book Link

In other words, evolution may have gaps in the scientific chain, but ID is a big, fat, lazy NOTHING perpetrated by big, fat, lazy and meaningless thinkers who want to infiltrate our schools with religious dogma. If my children were still in school, I'd have them opt out of any science class that would teach ID or creationism as science, the same way any parents could opt their kids out of any health education that they felt was not in keeping with their faiths.

ID and creationism are religious dogma. I am not an anti-religious zealot, unless you think that the separation of church and state constitutes anti-religiousness, which is specious and disengenuous and outright bushshit, I mean bullshit, at best. "
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Reply #1 August 13, 2005 12:13:24 PM
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In other words, evolution may have gaps in the scientific chain, but ID is a big, fat, lazy NOTHING perpetrated by big, fat, lazy and meaningless thinkers who want to infiltrate our schools with religious dogma. If my children were still in school, I'd have them opt out of any science class that would teach ID or creationism as science, the same way any parents could opt their kids out of any health education that they felt was not in keeping with their faiths.

You see, you had a valid article.  And then you resort to stupidity.  Your own.  just remember the 3 fingers.  I am glad you dont have children in school, I would hate to be their teacher.  I want young minds willing to learn, not prejudiced minds that cant learn.

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Reply #2 August 13, 2005 12:35:51 PM
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I am glad you dont have children in school, I would hate to be their teacher.


And, I would hate for you to be their teacher. I cannot stand the thought of a teacher with as prejudiced a mind as yours who thinks that teaching ID or creationism in a science class is acceptable. Talk about stupidity - yours............. Remember, I said "science class". And, one more time............

SCIENCE CLASS

Besides, only one finger would suffice.
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Reply #3 August 13, 2005 12:48:18 PM
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I cannot stand the thought of a teacher with as prejudiced a mind as yours who thinks that teaching ID or creationism in a science class is acceptable

Guess you dont read so well either.  You really need to learn how to read and listen.  neither of which is evident in your hateful diatribe.  You had a good thesis. But you fell down on the writing.

And if only one finger would suffice, why are you pointing 3 at yourself?

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Reply #4 August 13, 2005 2:27:17 PM
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I am sorry Doobie, but I have to agree with Dr. Guy here. Part of the problem with Evolutionists is there lack of tolerance for the views of others. Now regarding your main point.

Evolution has holes
Intelligent design is a gaping hole.

This is the problem with the one-trick-poney line, it is the only point you have. Have you considered that maybe schools would be better off if they just taught Science. Without all the theories. Kids just wanna experience the joy of Science, and biology...but that is another story.
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Reply #5 August 13, 2005 2:36:32 PM
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Gob stopped, well ya have to admit ya had a good thing goin' for awhile there.
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Reply #6 August 13, 2005 2:49:17 PM
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but I have to agree with Dr. Guy here.

That is a first!

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Reply #7 August 13, 2005 2:55:53 PM
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Have you considered that maybe schools would be better off if they just taught Science. Without all the theories.

Are you joking? Do you know enough (any) science to understand what you're saying?
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Reply #8 August 13, 2005 3:04:15 PM
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I am sorry Doobie, but I have to agree with Dr. Guy here. Part of the problem with Evolutionists is there lack of tolerance for the views of others. Now regarding your main point.

Yes, religious people are historically very tolerant..

Anyway, I don't care what other people believe. If you want to believe the Easter Bunny conjured us up an hour ago, go for it.  I only care if the public schools start trying to "teach" my child that we all came from the Easter Bunny.

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Reply #9 August 13, 2005 3:10:14 PM
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I agree, the Easter Bunny only lays chocolate eggs, but the failing theory of evolution lays poisonous seeds of doubt in the hearts and minds of children. Similairly, too does Creationism when it is using discoveries to force itself into the minds that can only receive such knowledge by divine revelation. I am for pure Science, where only facts are retained and the theories are shelved until someone actually proves them true. I do not think that the Bible was designed as a Science textbook, it should be with all the other good books of religion, in the comparitive religious section. The Bible reveals the Saviour.
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Reply #10 August 13, 2005 3:28:05 PM
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I only care if the public schools start trying to "teach" my child that we all came from the Easter Bunny.

That would explain my cotton tail!

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Reply #11 August 14, 2005 7:30:36 AM
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I cannot reply in the forums, and in that this topic is similar to my topic here, that being that being that being anti-ID in science class is tantamount to bigotry against Christians, which is patently absurd, I find the need to post this here:

So no, you're nothing as passionate or romantic as a zealot, just a common, garden variety bigot, the Archie Bunker of the left.

For those of you following the ID debate, here is a KKKer calling an anti-IDer in schools a bigot. Now, that's a hoot.
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Reply #12 August 14, 2005 9:26:54 AM
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For those of you following the ID debate, here is a KKKer calling an anti-IDer in schools a bigot. Now, that's a hoot.

See?  You can respond civilly.

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Reply #13 August 15, 2005 10:13:58 AM
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Dabe, I have to agree with some of the prior responses. Your proposition is spot on, and the couplet works well. However, I found it hard to continue siding with you as I read to the bottom of your article, because even I felt antagonized.

Do you mind if I borrow that couplet though?

where only facts are retained and the theories are shelved until someone actually proves them true



Aeryck, do you realize that almost every conclusion in science is a theory? (Don't forget scientific theory has a significantly different meaning than theory has taken on in common speech, i.e. hypothesis.) If theories were shelved until complete, they'd never get tested further to iron out the wrinkles and fill in the holes. Take out the theories, and all you have is first-hand observations, without any structure to add to, or alter based upon that evidence. All of human learning and accomplishment is based upon iterative processes, where we look at what's going on, try to describe it, and when that doesn't work, alter the description to incorporate the new behavior.

Direct observation on its own could work at early grade levels, but if you leave out all scientific theories then every student is re-inventing the wheel, significantly inhibiting our ability to progress significantly.
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Reply #14 August 15, 2005 11:19:30 AM
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I'll agree to ID in science class when Evolution is brought up in Church on Sundays

I'd take that in a trade off
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Reply #15 August 15, 2005 11:47:42 AM
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Have you considered that maybe schools would be better off if they just taught Science.


We'd have to get rid of gravitational theory, atomic theory, genetic theory, the theory of relativity, magnetic theorty, cell theory -- geez, we'd have to get rid of, well, Science. Which many creationists would be happy about. Then they could get back to saying that thunder and lightning is angels bowling and God crying.

There is a lot of evidence out there for both micro- and macroevolution. It isn't unfortunately, simple enough stuff to put on a TV program -- people holding signs make much easier pap for the media. Especially schmucks like Bill O'Reilly.

There, I made it though without saying "jesustard," are you proud of me Dabe?
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Reply #16 August 15, 2005 2:20:57 PM
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as a ku kux klan pigess, i can vouch for the presence of big gaping holes in both the men and women folk. some got in betwen the legs while others between the ears. No difffernce, where still redneck little-dip shisps that can't admit that W left us redneks hodling the bag while the city slickers up north roll super size meatballs to whack eachother upside the head. My Sauasgge's burining on the stove.

LITTLE-DIP SHIP SIGNIG OFF TO GO SLIP INTO MY SHEER LINEN SHEET SO I CAN GO HAVE AN ORGASIM OVER PAYING $3.00 PER GALLON FOR BOLLOD-OIL. bUT HELL AIN'T MY BLOOD.

RIGHT 'O, LITTLE - HYPOCRITE
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Reply #17 August 15, 2005 6:54:19 PM
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And if only one finger would suffice, why are you pointing 3 at yourself?


I guess I just do not understand this reference. Please enlighten me to the relevance of pointing 3 fingers.

Have you considered that maybe schools would be better off if they just taught Science. Without all the theories. Kids just wanna experience the joy of Science, and biology...but that is another story.


Well, I think the first part of this quote was already handled, but I gotta weigh in anyway. What the freakin' hell are you talking about? Science without theories is not science. It's just silly and pointless stories. Sheesh.................. And, I suppose you think that kids just wanna experience biology and science cuz it's a game to play, with pretty experiments making volcanoes and disecting frogs? But, oh no! They are learning to conduct experiments, test theories, hypothesize. Yeah, you're right. That is another story.

There, I made it though without saying "jesustard," are you proud of me Dabe?


Oh, I'm very proud of you, myrrander. But, I almost blew it.

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Reply #18 August 15, 2005 7:08:20 PM
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Dabe, I've put your access back to Citizen.
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Reply #19 August 15, 2005 7:36:14 PM
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Thank you, Brad. I really do appreciate it.
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Reply #20 August 16, 2005 6:31:16 AM
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I guess I just do not understand this reference. Please enlighten me to the relevance of pointing 3 fingers.

When you point a finger at someone, 3 fingers are pointing back at you.

Congratulations on your freedom.

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Reply #21 August 17, 2005 1:37:38 AM
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Hey, Dabe, glad to have you back among the living!
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Reply #22 August 17, 2005 6:54:46 PM
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When you point a finger at someone, 3 fingers are pointing back at you


Well, that's rather juvenile. A sticks and stones kind of thing. And, thanks for the welcome back. I just returned from a business trip a bit ago. I've got some reading and replying to do. But, maybe later.
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Reply #23 August 17, 2005 7:51:30 PM
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Technically, ID has been put forth as a non-religious hypothesis (coulda been aliens, who knows?) on the origin of life. Since aliens are unlikely to be proposing legislation in our statehouses and atheists would have no interest, that's just a cover story - the whole notion of pushing ID comes from individuals and entities having a religious agenda, or at least a vested interest in validating a supreme being, admitted or not. And, yes, they're not pushing the actual teaching of ID in schools (I know, I know), just the mere (mandatory) mention of it before evolution is taught, never mind that evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, only its, umh... evolution. While I generally agree with BakerStreet on most things, I don't accept his contention that we need the ID disclaimer to make public school a more "comfortable" place for children of religious families. And while I'm not insulted like Howard Dean was (just me or has anyone else noticed how easy it is to offend that guy?), I am rather disappointed that President Bush weighed in on the subject.

Anyway, aside from just about every other possible thing, I completely agree with you, dabe.

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