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Well, I have been outed as zinkadoodle. In fact, posting as zinkadoodle was an experiment. And no, ms whip lover, I never posted from work, as you accused me of. That was nothing but defamation, which you apparently revel in. Anyway, as zinkadoodle, I really did clean up my language, except maybe for a few slips, but nothing beyond the pale, or what any other blogger here at ju does. People even commented that I seemed like a cleaner version of dabe. Nice to notice that the politics are the same. Gee .... go figure.

Well, this really was an experiment to see whether I would be as completely vilified for my politics as for my swearing, which was my theory. You guessed it. It was POLITICS. It really had nothing whatsoever to do with swearing, which was only a righty ruse to get me banished from the forums. As zinkadoodle, I only hammered one poster, that being bakerstreet, and only because he hammered myrrander in my blog, in fact saying, and I quote, "....fuck you, you asshole....." Link Angela so kindly banished me for my response to baker for that, but baker continues to post. Yes, boys and girls, there really is a double standard here.

My experiment proved true. It's not about swearing. It's all about politics. But, that's OK. I learned a lesson. If I don't give em reason to banish me, for only swearing is against the TOS, and political leanings are not, then I can continue to post. So, Angela, as I pointed out in that email I sent to you, I only swore harshly at baker in my own blog, because he swore at myrrander. Yet, I do know that you only used it as an excuse to banish me for having a second persona, which apparently is also a violation of the TOS. So zinkadoodle is now but a memory here at JU, and a blog that not even zinkadoodle can post on. I guess I have a -1 score there.

I am a cleaned up dabe. My experiment worked. Now, it's up to the glorious powers that be here at ju whether I am allowed back into the forums. But, I'd sure like to think that this is not a democracy in that ju posters would have the right to vote on my admission back. It should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether whip or baker or any of my defamation club would think. It's up to the moderators only, I would hope, and should be based solely on the TOS.

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Doonesbury is fabulous...........................

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That he is, so thanx for these links. Probably saying anything nice to u gets me another 16 enemies I used to like. They might consider I am new so I have to make my own experiences even if they are the wrong ones sometimes. In the beginning I liked Bailey, too. I was the first too bl him, though, all they did was talk and fight about him so I couldnt even read their stuff well. Then they started BLing much too late only because they were afraid of the July 16, 2005 log evaluation + cleanup promised, instead of helping me in the first place.

If I have to change identities too often, I will switch down too read only which is mooching, unless u consider my registration fees. Already had to change em for technical reasons some times, but not to escape. There are other sites to go commenting on, cant all be bad.

If I find u intentionally destructive, I will keep some sort of distance. Im too busy to check up on your past. These sites are so infested I cant comment anybodys good article if his site is soo young it could be Mr. soandso again, who is still commenting every day anonymous. At least ur name is controversial and thus exists longer than others did, ur honest enough to credit the true authors of ur good stuff. Intellectual comics, a relaxing way of critique or inspiration to further thinking instead of all this childish fighting.

Wish u the best for ur restart and hope everything is backed up before audition in 2 weeks.

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I too noticed how bakerstreet's comments were blatantly ignored, while your defense of myrrander was singled out for exile. In fact, I wrote an article about that too! Link
While I did think that your mode of argument often weakened similar arguments that I was trying to make, the double standard here pisses me off more. Here's hoping that you're allowed back (your mellower side), and that the double standard ends...I'm not holding my breath about the latter, though.

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Probably saying anything nice to u gets me another 16 enemies I used to like.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, Satyrobe. All I can say is that if posting something nice to me makes you an enemy of those you used to like, then maybe they are not worh your consideration.

Thanks, Philomedy. Yes, my responses where juvenile, but I have a tendency to respond in kind. Thank you for commenting on the double standard here. It really does exist. And, as promised, I have cleaned up my act. Though admittedly, it's to not provide fodder to the admins to banish me again. A duel purpose, I suppose.

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I want to point something out to whipsy dooda. I have never posted to ju from different isp's. That is a figment of her mindless imagination. And, her constant blabbering about me doing that is a lie and defamation and slander. If anyone feels so inclined, check with the admins. Yeah, I found a way around the inability to log out of ju and post a second persona, but I'm sure not telling. Nor, do I imagine that the admins would want to make it common knowledge. But, that's up to them.

Now, whipsy, get a life. Oh, and go home.

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whipsy, get a life. Oh, and go home Shes still talented. Let us have "grass grow over" all of our a past a bit. With certain other folks, it takes years to watch + retrust em externally 1st, they were so intentionally non topic/objective for months. But if time heals scars, and I realize most things were misunderstandings not meant to be ones, things soften up fast. I will just enjoy your stuff in the meantime, cause some of its pretty good and thats what its about. If anybodys too destructive to you, good people will take their own measures including admins. Thats the only reason I had to BL yet, just to be able to read other stuff and not have em junk up my preventive countersuggestion thread to keep that down.

Ur comments are cool, Philomedy, also on other threads, Jus don know where its on topic to tell ya yet

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As whipsy so rudely keeps harping on, and to which I reply, for the last time, I have acknowledged in this article that I recognize that my posting as zinkadoodle may have been a violation of the TOS:

I only swore harshly at baker in my own blog, because he swore at myrrander. Yet, I do know that you only used it as an excuse to banish me for having a second persona, which apparently is also a violation of the TOS.

However, having said this, I just reviewed the TOS, and nowhere does it say that I violated anything by posting a second persona. Particularly because I posted it completely legally, really. I'm sure the admins would even have to concede that. So, one more time, whipsy, get a life, and leave me the hell alone.

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Anyway, as zinkadoodle, I really did clean up my language, except maybe for a few slips

No, you tried to cheat. And you were caught. I wish you would be contrite so you could be let out, but you will never be,

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Hmmh never thought about what posting others comments means in TOS. Good thing u remind me some dont take it well. Sure is a lot to learn when you´re new

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I am temporarily allowing the whipsicle to respond, if it wants to.

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So, if I try carrying a bomb onto an airplane as an experiment to see if a white female "Army wife" and mother of two can get one on the plane, does that make it OK?

Am I exempt from the consequences of my actions if they are only an experiment?

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Yes, my responses where juvenile, but I have a tendency to respond in kind. Thank you for commenting on the double standard here. It really does exist

I didn't mean this particular instance was juvenile, as I understand that it was a defense mechanism in this case. I was speaking of past instances where you may have rushed to judgment.

Ur comments are cool, Philomedy, also on other threads, Jus don know where its on topic to tell ya yet

Praise is always on topic for Philomedy

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So, if I try carrying a bomb onto an airplane as an experiment to see if a white female "Army wife" and mother of two can get one on the plane, does that make it OK?

Of course it's not ok. But, we're talking about blogging, for cryin' out loud. I think comparing blogging to carrying a bomb on a plane is a bit over the top, dontcha think?

In fact, I posted two people because I could. In fact, there is nothing in the TOS that says you cannot. The fact that I posted as zinkadoodle isn't anything that anyone should be so upset about. For cryin' out loud, people do it all the time. Bailey as an example. And, I never posted from any address than this one, much to whipsicle's dismay. She'd love it if I had, as it would bolster her argument.

As for being angry with my TW, I am sorry. But, I cannot help who I am. I despise the consescending righties here. I despise jingoism and blind patriotism. I despise pandering. I am sorry if my disdain for the likes of some here upsets you, as you seem to find their constant insults meaningless. But, if you really are left leaning, then I don't understand why you cowtow to their crap. If you don't like me for not laying down and taking their shit, then there is nothing I can do about that. I just really don't understand where you're coming from, as I never had any beef against you. You just seem to dislike me for disliking them.

As for blacklisting dabe, but not zinkadoodle, you are wrong. Zinkadoodle was also blacklisted from your blog. As zinkadoodle, I was unable to post you your blog, and I assume that it had something to do with the fact that I was posting from the same isp, which was what was blacklisted, rather than the name itself. That's something that the admins would have to answer.

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Of course it's not ok. But, we're talking about blogging, for cryin' out loud. I think comparing blogging to carrying a bomb on a plane is a bit over the top, dontcha think?

Agree. But I could have used anything as an example and the idea would have been the same.

In fact, I posted two people because I could. In fact, there is nothing in the TOS that says you cannot. The fact that I posted as zinkadoodle isn't anything that anyone should be so upset about. For cryin' out loud, people do it all the time. Bailey as an example. And, I never posted from any address than this one, much to whipsicle's dismay. She'd love it if I had, as it would bolster her argument.

I think it's deceitful. Particularly if it's used to get around being on confinement. That's the problem I see with it.

As for being angry with my TW, I am sorry.

It's not even that I'm angry with you, dabe...I just want something that you can't (or aren't willing) to give me...someone that I can feel some level of solidarity with.

I despise the consescending righties here. I despise jingoism and blind patriotism. I despise pandering.

I certainly don't expect you to change that.

I am sorry if my disdain for the likes of some here upsets you, as you seem to find their constant insults meaningless

I don't think you have me pegged correctly, dabe. I have no problem with you disliking people here. There are people here that I think are massive tools as well. What I DO have a problem with is the way that you deal with the people you don't like. You carry old issues and grudges into every comment you post, and you are unrelenting with the insults. I realize that you feel like you are just giving back what you get...but...

You are older and wiser than I am...you have more life experience...don't you know that you "catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"?

No one listens to you...no one is affected by your opinions (besides those who already agree with you) because you are so combative and outrageous in your antics.
I just don't see your tactics as being effective. You alienate yourself, and they enjoy it immensely. You add fuel to their fire.

Not that it matters, dabe, but what I want to see is balance and reason in you. Sometimes you have to turn the other cheek. Sometimes you have to concede. Sometimes you have to hold your ground while retaining your dignity and showing your opponent respect.

I feel bad about writing this because I feel like I am chastising you or something. And I really don't mean it that way...I'm just sharing my thoughts with you.

But, if you really are left leaning, then I don't understand why you cowtow to their crap.

I don't see it as kowtowing. I'm far from perfect, dabe. I make bad choices in my personal life and in my interactions on JU. However, I think it's a good thing that I'm (usually) able to separate the opinion or argument from the person. That's not kowtowing, that's seeing these screen names for what they really are...human beings.

If you don't like me for not laying down and taking their shit, then there is nothing I can do about that. I just really don't understand where you're coming from, as I never had any beef against you. You just seem to dislike me for disliking them.

(hehe, this is going to sound like something I've said to my kids, my apologies) I don't dislike you. I dislike the way you act. You can dislike whoever you wish, dabe. That's your business. However, don't expect me to not feel hurt or angry when you say something vicious to someone I care about. This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with human kindness.

As for blacklisting dabe, but not zinkadoodle, you are wrong.

You've got it backward. I BL'ed zink, not dabe (and at the time, I didn't know it was you, but I suspected that zink was someone familiar...you may remember me posting something to that effect). I will unBL zink when I finish writing this.

I don't know what to say, really, dabe. I try to understand where you're coming from, but some of the things you say really turn me off. It's not your job to please me, so please don't think I'm saying that you should change for me. I'm just trying to express to you how I feel about you and this situation.

I hope all of that rambling made some sense.

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PS - How do you unBlacklist someone?

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TW, thank you so much for that long explanation. Really, it means a lot to me. I try to understand, and in fact do understand why you dislike what I do, rather than me. I have a tendency to post my feelings. Why should I have to "walk on eggshells" around here, when those who preach their political dubya lovefests and liberal hatefests have no qualms or feel any need to hold back. I tend to dish what I get. And, I refuse to walk on eggshells to pander to the likes of them. I will not swear to them anymore. Not unless someone swears at me first. And, as zinkadoodle was doing, I will call any poster, particularly drmiler, for his continual namecalling and swearing, for which he seems to have carte blanche to do. I will not pander to them. Period. I have learned form Myrrander and Kingbee and a few others about the fine art of posting a retort without getting into trouble. They are both very good at it. My hat's off to them. And, to you.

I get the impression that whipsy, whom I hold in complete disdain for her self-rightousness, her blatant racism, her complete disregard for most people, except those who constantly pat her on the proverbial back for her bull, needs to constantly remind us all how utterly wonderful (NOT) she is, or thinks she is. And, I will not do it. I don't know why anyone buys into her nonsense. I do believe she's a real sicko, and I will not put up with her crap. I un-blacklisted her temporarily to see if she has anything to add, but frankly I could give a rat's ass. But, fair's fair. If she's going to continue to lie about me, about my posting, then I want her to explain herself. Also, what I find rather dispicable is how she would know that Angela has emailed me. Apparently, Angela has no qualms about discussing other posters with her, and that's plain unethical. Do you really think that I care about a minor deceipt in conducting an "experiment" when that kind of crap goes on in with this site's administrators?

As for deceitful, well maybe. But so what? I hurt no one. I never claimed to be anyone but myself, but with two characters. And, they even talked to eachother on one or two occassions just to maintain their separation. I even felt weird doing that. But, pathetic? I think not. Whipsy seems to think it's the end of the world because I did this. Well, it's not. And, the game is over. In fact, I likely cannot do it again. I only had that one chance to post as two users, and they have been used. I'm not a deceiptful person. In fact, I have scruples and morals that I would hold up to anyone. I have "come clean" and I do not lie. And, I live by my morals and ethical standards. If you feel that I deceived you for a short time, then I am really sorry. But, it's over. Gotta admit, though, it was fun while it lasted.

As for un-blacklisting zinkadoodle, don't bother. She cannot post anyway, as Angela has shut down my ability to post either using zinkadoodle, and as I am banished, or to any others' blogs, including zinkadoodle. Kind of ironic. And no, whipsicle, I could care less that you go onto zinkadoodle and post your crap. You're a fraud, and I think most people with any common sense already know that. Nothing but an ex-KKKer who still thinks like a KKKer. A distinction without a difference.

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Of course it's not ok. But, we're talking about blogging, for cryin' out loud. I think comparing blogging to carrying a bomb on a plane is a bit over the top, dontcha think?

I think the comparison is following the rules. If you cant in something as simple as blogging, why should you be allowed to roam free in civilized society?

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I'm just surprised anybody cared that somebody cursed me. I actually don't care much myself, but you all make me feel so warm and fuzzy on the inside.

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1) anyone can post as a different persona by logging out as long as they are not banned. That is no secret and it's not difficult at all (you simply log out and log on as a different account).

2) I have *never* received an email from you.

3) You swearing in that post was a "last thread", not the reason your fake persona got booted. For pete's sake, you were talking to yourself. You were using your fake to thank yourself for sticking up for "him".

It should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether whip or baker or any of my defamation club would think. It's up to the moderators only, I would hope, and should be based solely on the TOS.

You agree to not use the Service to:
(c) impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Stardock official, forum leader, guide, moderator or host, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;

"Impersonate" would include making a fake persona to post with. You need to realize that your fake was removed because it was a FAKE. You were confined after *many* warnings. Then you decide to create a fake to get around your confinement. Then you have the nerve to cry foul when your FAKE (not you) got banned? Oh, please.......

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1) anyone can post as a different persona by logging out as long as they are not banned. That is no secret and it's not difficult at all (you simply log out and log on as a different account).

So please, do tell, where does one log out? You've not made it very easy. I've been all over, and frankly, I cannot find it. Are you suggesting that the only way to log out is to email site admins to do so? And no, I have never sent you an email.

My beef with you was not taking baker to task for swearing first. And frankly, I did feel a bit immune to being chastised by my swearing unless, and only if, you also chastised baker. The fact that he could, without specific provocation, come onto my blog and hammer myrrander for the joke I posted and for which myrrander was agreeing with, was uncalled for, and unconscionable. Period. And, as I said above, sticking up for "him" was kind of funny, dontcha think?

You agree to not use the Service to:(c) impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Stardock official, forum leader, guide, moderator or host, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; "Impersonate" would include making a fake persona to post with.

Well, that's a stretch, and certainly not clear. In fact, I never impersonated anyone. If I attempted to impersonate myrrander or baker or bill clinton, that would be "impersonation." I never tried to be someone I am not. I was merely myself, but without the swearing. I was actually me, Diane, using another screen name. Maybe the TOS should be more specific. Have you ever talked to a lawyer? I'm sure they'd agree that unless there is specificity, a law or TOS is up for interpretation. When I read that, I thought, well I'm not actually impersonating anyone, so that's not a violation. Now that you say it is, after the fact, is not really fair.

So, this is how I did it. I have a Stardock account. I set it up as dabe. When I was using my web browser one day, I realized it was not automatically registering me. So, I made a new account. Very simple really. Now that that lil hole is out of the bag, I think you have two things you need to fix here. 1) Go back and clarify your TOS, so people do not get caught into an "interpretation" thing, and 2) Somehow fix the ability to post via two accounts like that.

Then you have the nerve to cry foul when your FAKE (not you) got banned? Oh, please.......

I never cried foul about that. I cried foul because I got canned for swearing and bakerstreet did not. It was your excuse to take down the zinkadoodle account because of your interpretation of the TOS, which I read differently. If I was deceptive using it, I am sorry. But, I was only being me. It's over now. It's done. I would like to be allowed back into the forums. And, I would like to know how the h..... to log out of my blog, like I can log out of every other blog I post to, and my online banking, my cablevision account, etc. That would be really wonderful.

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Also, what I find rather dispicable is how she would know that Angela has emailed me.

I missed this the first time- she knows that because I posted a comment about it on one of your threads. Re-read http://dabe.joeuser.com/articleComments.asp?AID=79480 I said that I sent you private emails.

When she emailed me about your other persona, I responded with something that looked a lot like this: "Thanks for the info. I haven't been online enough lately to
even notice "zinkadoodle". I'll check it out". Which was the truth- I hadn't noticed that you continued to post. That is when I noticed the "last straw" comment and exiled the fake persona.

It's amazing how mountains can be made out of mole hills.....

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I'm just surprised anybody cared that somebody cursed me. I actually don't care much myself, but you all make me feel so warm and fuzzy on the inside.

I guess I'm just your #1 fan.

Besides, I thought bs was being particularly dispicable and audacious. Made me angry.

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And, I missed this the first time around:

It's amazing how mountains can be made out of mole hills.....

You're not kidding!

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particularly dispicable and audacious

i curse like a sailor, it really didn't seem that over-the-top

hahaha

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KarmaGirl

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And frankly, I did feel a bit immune to being chastised by my swearing unless, and only if, you also chastised baker.

As you know, I send personal emails to people unless they continue to ignore my emails. Just because I don't air all dirty laundry doesn't mean that I don't contact people. People can assume all they want on this site, I don't care. I'm not going to state every email that I send or don't send, and I don't need to justify our actions. I also take a much harsher tact when the person who has been attacked contacts me. I have received more emails naming you as the attacker than any other blogger on here, so please stop while you're ahead.

I think you have two things you need to fix here. 1) Go back and clarify your TOS, so people do not get caught into an "interpretation" thing, and 2) Somehow fix the ability to post via two accounts like that.

1) It doesn't need to be clarified. If somebody creates a fake persona to get around being confined, there are no guidelines for that Fake. They aren't a real user, therefore they can be exiled at any time- end of story. We didn't exile you- we exiled your fake. It's also not a TOS, it's a Terms of Use. You aren't provided a service, because you don't pay for anything. The TOU is a basic guideline, which is left up to the interpretation of the moderators.

2) That is not a flaw. Married people blog on here- and they use a single computer. Should they not be able to log on as different people?

So please, do tell, where does one log out?

That would be the red symbol next to your name in the account box on JU's home page. If you mouse over it, you will notice that the mouse over says "log out". Not very secret at all.

So, Angela, as I pointed out in that email I sent to you, I only swore harshly at baker in my own blog, because he swore at myrrander.

And no, I have never sent you an email.

eh....which one is it? You didn't send me the email that pointed out why you swore at Baker? Are you having a hard time remembering what you said?

Well, that's a stretch, and certainly not clear. In fact, I never impersonated anyone.

Yes, you said that Zink was a male and you talked to him as if he were somebody else. That makes it an impersonation. You did not state that you were you, you made up a new person. You were hear when Dan got in trouble for the same thing, so it's not like you didn't "know". And, it would not matter, you knew you were confined- an action that was imposed by the people who run this site. You deliberately took action against it.

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