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Damn skippy they are!!!

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May 26, 2005 11:19:13 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
My response to "Guns are for Destroying Things". .Link

By banning guns, you fail to reduce violence. Violence is ingrained in man. All you achieve instead, is to reduce the technology base of law abiders one step below criminals.

Forget the semantics about guns in particular. We're really arguing over whether it is right to be able to own a weapon, any weapon, something which is intended to harm another being.

Anything. Anything, can be used as a weapon. Making some weapons more difficult to get, might, (and I only concede the idea as a generality for argument's sake), reduce some of the increased level of accidental, or willfully caused damage caused by more advanced weaponry. This does have some credence in cases where it can be done effectively, such as with nuclear weapons. (although that one's starting to slip as more and more nations obtain it.)

However, this has never been proven to be the case with guns. Where they are banned, regardless of penalty, criminals still own, and use guns. I believe that people have a right to own weapons, as well as the responsibility to use (or preferably not use) them wisely.

Weapons are multi-purpose tools as well. Yes it is used to destroy things. So is a saw, or a fire. They can do nothing but destroy. As in using a saw to cut a plank, or burning wood to heat a home, it is the results of that destruction, and your intent that are important.

Our violence is ingrained as humans, and as a society. It is both genetic and cultural. Also as a culture, we are overly fond of simplistic solutions such as (and it would be an interesting comparison for argument,) the Temperance policies of the Great Depression, that rarely pan out. A weapons ban is a simplistic answer that will not solve the basic issue of violence, and take away our citizens ability to defend themselves from criminals, as civilians, and their last resort against an abusive government. (not advocating violence against the gov. mind you, but how long would the tyrannies of cold-war russia have lasted if every citizen had owned a gun?)

Sorry this got so long. Delete it if you like, or not, and I'll repost it on my own blog as an article.

Peace through superior firepower,
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Reply #1 May 27, 2005 1:07:53 PM
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Problem with your analogy to a saw and fire and stating their only purpose is to destroy things is this: Saws and fire actaully do help create things. Guns however are made only to kill, and not create.
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Reply #2 May 27, 2005 1:10:15 PM
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Actually, the real problem with your comparison is a gun is used to kill living things. Using the argument that guns help us against abusive governments is hilariously simplistic.
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Reply #3 May 27, 2005 3:28:46 PM
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Actually, the real problem with your comparison is a gun is used to kill living things. Using the argument that guns help us against abusive governments is hilariously simplistic.


Just an FYI.... it's also hilariously TRUE!
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Reply #4 May 27, 2005 9:49:11 PM
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Guns however are made only to kill, and not create


I've met a few Iraqis that would say the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. The founders of our country certainly didn't seem to think so.

Using the argument that guns help us against abusive governments is hilariously simplistic.


Again note that I did mention it as a last resort. It's only simplistic if you take it that force or violence be used as a stand alone action. Force is occasionally necessary, naturally the use of force without following through is pointless. An example of this would be WWI, in which force was used, but failure to take correct action afterwards directly sowed the seeds for WWII. Wash, rinse, repeat with the end of the Japanese occupation in Korea. Or our quiet participation in the Soviet/Afghanistan war, the overthrowing of Iran's government, et cetera ad nauseum.

However properly followed through, the use of force by, or against governments can be highly effective. After all, 40 million Maoist revolutionaries can't be wrong, right? See again WWII reconstruction, Revolutionary war, current reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan, etc..........
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Reply #5 May 27, 2005 11:11:02 PM
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The difference with guns is that kids are fascinated by them. They get ahold of the gun in the house, it goes off accidentaly and kills another kid. Yes, the parents should have been more careful about where they put the gun, but it's too late for some kids and some parents are stupid.
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Reply #6 May 27, 2005 11:31:39 PM
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some parents are stupid.


This should read "criminaly stupid"!
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Reply #7 May 28, 2005 11:59:00 PM
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The difference with guns is that kids are fascinated by them.


Have you not seen children utterly stupefied at the sight of fire? Were you aware that many children enjoy toy tools, and that even Black and Decker makes various plastic "power tools" for children around the age of 5?
Did you know my oldest brother hit my other brother in the head with a hammer when they were toddlers? But, that's just a tool, right? (It's okay, Pulp Junkie's alright, mostly.)
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