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Should Pres. Bush veto stem cell bill? What would you do?

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Should Pres. Bush veto stem cell bill? What would you do?

In case you've been under a rock, or have just ignored the topic in general (hey, one of the biggest threads on the topic was from our favority Clueless Old Liberal, so I don't blame you if you did ignore it), with the passage in the House of Representatives of a bill that encourages stem cell research, President Bush has threatened to make use of his veto powers for the first time in his presidency.

Never mind that it is fairly unusual that a President would not have ever vetoed a bill during his first term (which, logically has been the case now because Republicans control both the Senate and House, and have primarily worked in conjuction with the President, rather than going off in their own direction, as they have in the case of this bill). The President is clearly threatening to veto the new stem cell bill that has come up in the House and may be passed in the Senate (though that is not a given at this point).

For a news reference on the issue, see the following article from CNN.com:

Bush threatens veto on stem cell research bill

(CNN) -- President Bush on Friday threatened to veto a bill expanding public funding for embryonic stem cell research that could make it to his desk by early next week.
"I made [it] very clear to the Congress that the use of federal money, taxpayers' money, to promote science which destroys life in order to save life, I'm against that," Bush told reporters. "Therefore if the bill does that, I will veto it."
It would mark the first veto of Bush's presidency.
Supporters of the bill dispute Bush's depiction of the research, saying it's critical to advance scientific discoveries that may help cure diseases.
The bill would broaden the limits on funding embryonic stem cell research beyond the strict rules the president outlined four years ago.
Bush limited funding for research on human embryonic stem cells to cell lines already in existence at that time.
Bush aides have said they're concerned the measure still may pass the GOP-led Congress by a veto-proof margin. They're working to convince enough Republicans to support the president.
In the House of Representatives, 290 votes are needed to override a veto.

Note that the House bill passed on a vote of 238-194 -- far less than the two-thirds support that would be needed to override a veto.

Nows the time for JoeUser's and JillUser's to speak up on the issue.

Should the President veto the legislation?

Should Congress over-ride the veto and expand the research as suggested in the House bill?

If you faced the choice that the President has made, what would you have done?

Finally, to throw a monkey wrench into the discussion, lets say you have a friend or relative that has Alzheimers, or Parkinson's Disease. Would it change your convictions at all, knowing that perhaps the research would help lead to a cure or treatment for your friend or relative, or would you stick by your convictions regardless?

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"Not all Doctors are the medical kind. PHD anyone?"
PHD= Player hating degree. Naw just kidding, anyways what did you get it for?

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Those of us that one day would like stem cell therapies to improve our lives opt to be taxed a penny for every dollar we use, and those that don't, will not pay anything but cannot use stem cell research you know to cure alzheimer's or cancer or whatever they find. How about that ?? Sound good?

That is like saying: I can buy a murder by paying a little more in taxes. You see, while you are taking a middle of the road attitude, and that in itself is admirable, some of us see it as murder. period. We cannot condone it even it if saves a million lives. once you start down that slippery slope of justifying the death of the few for the benefit of the many, you have just crossed over to the nazi side (not to say you have, because you dont believe in life until birth - but some of us do).

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Am I the only one who finds it incredibly creepy that we're seriously considering breeding our own kind for medical experiments?

No. That is what this whole debate is all about..

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Not all Doctors are the medical kind. PHD anyone?"
PHD= Player hating degree. Naw just kidding, anyways what did you get it for?

BS = Bull Shit

MS = More Shit

PHD = Piled Higher and Deeper.

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"BS = Bull Shit

MS = More Shit

PHD = Piled Higher and Deeper."

hehe nice, I'm stealing that one.
We've gone from sanctity of life to shit, literally.

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"I think my avatar is cooler than yours Bakerstreet "

Is that Garrett? I made mine, did you?

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"Normal gestation is only 39 weeks! 40 weeks? You are whacked!"

Completely off-topic here, but...

Gestation is 40 weeks. Ovulatory is 38 weeks. Gestation is calculated from the first day of your last period, which means you are considered pregnant (from the gestational measurement) two weeks before you conceive. Ovulatory calculation begins at conception. A baby born at 38 weeks of gestation (36 weeks ovulatory) is considered full term.

Just some info from someone who's had some babies.

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"A baby born at 38 weeks of gestation (36 weeks ovulatory) is considered full term."

That would mean then that anything enigmagnetic considers a "fetus" is actually a full term baby, and anything previous is just... what? An embryo? Am I understanding you correctly?

Good grief, if that's true then the idea of pre-fetal tissue is sicker than I thought.

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The product of conception is considered an embryo at 5 weeks gestation.

At 10 weeks gestation, the embryo is "upgraded" to fetus status, and retains such status until birth which in a full term pregnancy occurs between 38 and 42 weeks gestation.

I don't think enigmagnetic is explaining himself well, hehe.

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"At 10 weeks gestation, the embryo is "upgraded" to fetus status"

Surely enigmamagnetic isn't suggesting anything under 10 weeks (two months)is fair game. If not I'm not sure where the whole fetus thing comes in...

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hehe nice, I'm stealing that one.
We've gone from sanctity of life to shit, literally.

And so it goes. The topic is still germaine. Even if the excrement is getting deep.

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Just some info from someone who's had some babies.

I have had 4! And narrry a problem with any of them!

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Just some info from someone who's had some babies.

I have had 4! And narrry a problem with any of them!

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At 10 weeks gestation, the embryo is "upgraded" to fetus status, and retains such status until birth which in a full term pregnancy occurs between 38 and 42 weeks gestation.

I don't think enigmagnetic is explaining himself well, hehe.

You see, that is where my problem lies. What wand is waved at that stage to change it? Perhaps the real issue is we just dont know yet. Perhaps it is 9 or 8 or 7 weeks?

Regardless, the zygote, embryo, fetus is not going to be anything different from the moment of conception. it will be or not. But if it is to be, it will be a human being. And the only thing that can stop that is to kill it. For it is life. We disagree if it is human life, but it is life.

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