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Why do you judge me?

March 14, 2005 6:47:21 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
I am Gay. I have HIV. So what?

Does this give you the right to judge me?

Does it mean im doomed to eternal damnation?

Take a look at your own life. Take a look at what makes you so judgemental.

Before my sexuality and my illness I am human. I have a heart and a soul just like you.

Take a look in the mirror... does what I am make you feel so uncomfortable that you need to condemn me?
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Reply #1 March 14, 2005 7:20:36 AM
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I couldn't agree more, Phoenixboi. But who is judging you? That's not rhetorical, but a a genuine question - who IS judging you? In my experience, somebody deciding that you are - for example - 'doomed to eternal damnation' tells us far, far more about them than it does about you. Don't let them drag you down.
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Reply #2 March 14, 2005 7:26:41 AM
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who IS judging you?


Christianity judges me.
In my experience, somebody deciding that you are - for example - 'doomed to eternal damnation' tells us far, far more about them than it does about you. Don't let them drag you down.


That is the point I want to make here. Thanks Furry for pointing this out.
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Reply #3 March 14, 2005 7:33:35 AM
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P, don't let it get to you. All this fire and brimstone garbage.....it's all meaningless at the end of the day.
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Reply #4 March 14, 2005 7:37:04 AM
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it's all meaningless at the end of the day.


Sure it is D. Because in the end there is nothing. Right?
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Reply #5 March 14, 2005 8:02:34 AM
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hey, i can't speak for the world, phoenix, but i think you're great. i hope that counts for something.

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Reply #6 March 14, 2005 8:09:02 AM
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i hope that counts for something


Means heaps to me Migs! thanks
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Reply #7 March 14, 2005 8:15:16 AM
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I may not agree with what you do in your life, but you don't have to agree with me, either.
Christians are not, actually, supposed to judge....that's supposed to come at another time and from another place altogether. We all know that.
Christians who chant the mantra of "God hates fags" are wrong; God doesn't hate anybody; He hates sin. Good luck to you.
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Reply #8 March 14, 2005 8:19:40 AM
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Means heaps to me Migs! thanks


soooo welcome, i'm honoured that my opinion counts like that

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Reply #9 March 14, 2005 8:30:58 AM
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Christians who chant the mantra of "God hates fags" are wrong; God doesn't hate anybody; He hates sin. Good luck to you


Good point.. although who says it is a sin?
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Reply #10 March 14, 2005 8:31:33 AM
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i'm honoured that my opinion counts like that


And im honoured that you care
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Reply #11 March 14, 2005 8:41:35 AM
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Because in the end there is nothing. Right


Sort of.....because it's all impermanent, because it WILL pass.....and because at the end it's not important. I happen to think that you're an old soul....wiser than most. The people that spout off about christianity and sin and fire and brimstone are usually new souls who simply don't know any better. They're so...afraid, I guess, that they have to cling to something, and Christianity is usually the thing they cling to.

But that's just my opinion....
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Reply #12 March 14, 2005 8:54:12 AM
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because at the end it's not important


No it isn't important at all. What I think is more important is the way we live our lives and how it affects those people that we love around us.

Thanks D
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Reply #13 March 14, 2005 9:14:30 AM
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What I think is more important is the way we live our lives and how it affects those people that we love around us.


Exactly. If you can go to bed at night knowing that you did you best to be a good person, that you didn't do anyone wrong that day....then that's all that really matters, IMO.
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Reply #14 March 14, 2005 11:26:11 AM
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I dislike people who are quick to judge others, especially without knowing the individual first. It's terribly hard when someone does that to you, they take one look at you, or they hear some rumour about you, and they are quick to judge.

As referenced in the bible, he who hath no sin, throw the first stone. It's funny how these "christians" who are supposed to be loving and acceptable as their religion says, are always the first to throw the stone.

It's hard to not feel persecuted when you are being judged unfairly Phoenix, I've walked that road before, I walk that road at times, it's hard to shake it, but learning to ignore the ignorant fools, is the best I can tell you to do. So chin up!
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Reply #15 March 14, 2005 2:09:33 PM
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Good point.. although who says it is a sin?


Don't ask me to quote book, chapter and verse, that's not me; I know that is in the Bible, however, that relations between two of the same gender is wrong. Never mind.
I've been in this movie before...I know that my quoting anything from the Bible wouldn't stop you from doing what you're doing anway, so I wouldn't waste my time even if I could point to it.

I do, however, feel that people like "Reverend" Fred Phelps and his raging, dentally challenged refugees from the trailer courts are, on a spiritual level, kind of like the handicapped at Disney World. That is, when it comes time to be thrown into the Pit of Fire, they'll be escorted to the front of the line.
I feel this way because they so flagrantly usurp God's authority to judge. It's not their place to say anything to you. They're free to disagree with what you do, based on Scripture, but to say that God "hates" you? No...with that view I whole-heartedly disagree. God loves you, just as He does everybody; He just hates our spiritual weakness and propensity to sin.
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Reply #16 March 14, 2005 3:30:13 PM
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As referenced in the bible, he who hath no sin, throw the first stone. It's funny how these "christians" who are supposed to be loving and acceptable as their religion says, are always the first to throw the stone.


I agree forever.. this is generally the case, not all but mostly.

I know that is in the Bible, however, that relations between two of the same gender is wrong. Never mind.


So is being short, and wearing glasses, and eating oysters and pigs.

God loves you, just as He does everybody


And that is all that matters
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Reply #17 March 14, 2005 3:43:30 PM
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I agree with pretty much everything Rightwinger said.
However, if you don't even believe in the Bible, then why even argue that homosexuality is or isn't a sin? Why feel the need to justify yourself with people whose beliefs you don't even share? That'd be like me trying to justify my love for my iBook to some Monks of some Eastern religion who say that if I do not shed my earthly possessions, I will be reincarnated into a pig.
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Reply #18 March 14, 2005 4:59:10 PM
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PB - I love You

As a Christian and as your friend I love you
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Reply #19 March 14, 2005 5:16:27 PM
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So is being short, and wearing glasses


huh?
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Reply #20 March 14, 2005 5:50:06 PM
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Well, there were many laws that the Lord required the Jews to follow in the Old Testament, but Jesus fulfilled those laws, essentially making it so that we need no longer follow them. However, some things were confirmed as still being sin in the New Testament.
It's the same reason we don't have to perform sacrifices anymore.
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Reply #21 March 14, 2005 5:57:07 PM
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Ok, first phoenix, not all Christians are like that. I don't judge people. I might disagree with what people do but it's none of my business. I personally don't think that God hates you. God is about loving each other and treating each other with respect. I don't think that you are damned for all eternity like some others might say. God loves everyone no matter what. He may dislike what some do but it's kind of like being a parent. You love your kids no matter what even when you hate what they are doing. I don't care about your sexuality or your HIV status. I have read what you have written and I think you are a very intelligent, well-spoken person. I hope you continue writing here. Take care.
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Reply #22 March 14, 2005 6:43:21 PM
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Christians who chant the mantra of "God hates fags" are wrong; God doesn't hate anybody; He hates sin. Good luck to you


Good point.. although who says it is a sin?


I answer this only as an answer, not as judgement or anything close to it. As long as what you do with your life does not interfer with mine there are no problems. You asked who says it's a sin? God does, read the story of Soddom and Gomorrah.
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Reply #23 March 14, 2005 8:37:10 PM
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Phoenixboi: As far as I am concerned, you are one of the most caring, loving, beautiful people on the planet. There is no judgment here...only admiration.
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Reply #24 March 14, 2005 11:16:21 PM
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Phoenixboi: As far as I am concerned, you are one of the most caring, loving, beautiful people on the planet
TexW

I know you're trying to make him feel better, but this is a very broad statement. You're not so bad yourself, Tex.

Well, there were many laws that the Lord required the Jews to follow in the Old Testament, but Jesus fulfilled those laws, essentially making it so that we need no longer follow them. However, some things were confirmed as still being sin in the New Testament.
It's the same reason we don't have to perform sacrifices anymore.
Messybuu

Yeah; I know about that, but the short and glasses thing.....that threw me. What's he talking about?

God loves you, just as He does everybody



And that is all that matters
---Pheonixboi

Now, don't break that line up and take it out of context. The last ten words count just as much as the ones you highlighted.

Pb...Please don't take this poorly, but unless I'm reading you wrong, those of us here who meet what you have to say from a Christian perspective seem to be met with a little resistance or a mildly derisive attitude.
On the other, hand, the people who tell you how wonderful you are are responded to with sweet thanks and kindness.
Is that because we're not being cheerleaders for you and telling it's A-okay and just perfectly grand for you to be living your lifestyle the way you are?
Because we're telling you that, for all the good there may be in you, there will be, according to our beliefs, at least, consequences down the road for you, as there will be for all of us who don't follow the path laid down for us?
I'm not going to tell you that what you're doing is right; that would be serious disservice to you.
You seem to be a good person with a good heart, overall. You don't want me to judge you and, according to the teachings I believe in, I won't. But, as I alluded to in an above post, I am free to disagree with what you do according to Scripture. Once again, Pb...good luck to you. Keep writing.
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Reply #25 March 15, 2005 12:03:35 AM
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"Yeah; I know about that, but the short and glasses thing.....that threw me. What's he talking about?"

The book many Xians quote when claiming the Bible says homosexuality is a sin is Lavitticus (or however you spell it), and it has references to some, well, prettty weird things, including references to short people and vision impaired people. Most of these parts of that book are dismissed by modern Christians as being things that were right for the time but no longer relevant, yet they cling to that part of the book for reasons I haven't yet got my head around but am willing to hear about.
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