My problem is not with videotapes, as I don't see what rights they violate. My problem is with the Republican attempt to justify the violations that have been committed, i.e. torture, prison abuse, etc

philo by definition what your doing right now {bending truth and answering things NOT in my post is TORTURE.

Alright, so then the terrorists showing videos of Iraqis wouldn't be wrong either. Satisfied?

If you consider incarcerating a violent insurgent as wrong as beheading an innocent civilian, then I guess it wouldn't be wrong. If you do though, then well... It's bad enough you think killing in self-defense is as wrong as murder (and saying "it's wrong, but it could be justified", because if it's justified, then how is it wrong? That sounds like pandering).

Alright look...lets try again...I am arguing a system of illogical justification, which is echoed in the article. I don't expect you to understand the concept of reading between lines or introspection or trying to devise a deeper meaning from what is said, since when someone insults you, it's apparantly just to insult them back, and beat them a little for good measure.

Could I start bringing up that old argument concerning gay marriage and polygamy in any thread you start, since something you say in any thread could apply in some obscure way to that discussion?

Reply #28 By: Philomedy - 2/6/2005 5:15:06 PM

So someone punches you. You punch them back. Then you incapacitate them. Then you take pictures of the body. Then you show it to their family. Just, yes? OH FOR gods sake man... its iraqis showing them, not american troops... Alright, so then the terrorists showing videos of Iraqis wouldn't be wrong either. Satisfied?

yes I punch them back period... but if THEY took pics of me laying in a pool of blood I would return the favor.. not saying its right.. saying what I would do.

And BTW, moderateman, I have not deviated from contradicting ideas...It is you who starts saying this and that about democrats when you can't find anything useful to say anymore.

I calls em as I sees em my friend...

My apologies again, as I forget I am talking to those who need to be spoon-fed. I did not mean to equate civilians with those that are fighting. I did not mean civilians, I meant Iraqi troops.

So, the insurgents have not killed any innocent civilians intentionally, because if they have, then my original statement would still apply.

Alright, I never said that, but you can keep putting words in my mouth. It's rather amusing from this end.

Explain what you meant then.

Here's what you said: "And for the record, my implication is, and always has been, that using violence against anyone is wrong. Some people push you, and with some people there is no other option, but my feeling will continue to be that violence is wrong. In some cases it is justifiable, but it continues to be wrong."

So, did you change your mind? Is killing in self-defense (which is violence against somebody) not wrong?

Because killing is wrong! Are you saying killing is not wrong? Killing in self-defense is justifiable, because it is a last resort that stems from extenuating circumstances. The act of killing, however, is wrong. I hope this clears that up.

I'm saying killing isn't always wrong. For example, in self-defense, it isn't wrong, it's completely justified, it's right, and I support it. If it is wrong, then what would be right?
Do you also think that it was wrong for the US soldiers to kill Nazis in WW2?

one more time.... they are taking pictures of terrorist captives not killings not torture just captives..

Actually, moderateman, I haven't seen any "liberals" complaining about this, and i actually am not even sure about what the hell you are talking about taking pictures, so you could either elaborate with an external link or stop spewing anti-leftist nonsense.

Reply #16 By: sandy2 - 2/6/2005 3:42:09 PM Drmiller and moderateman are terrorists. Note to moderateman, by the way, use a dictionary. Now, these two people are terrorists. If they were Iraqi, they would be the insurgents. They are the same type of people. They are the type of people that say "hey, there are some Americans trying to control our lives. Fuck them. I don't like this. Let's blow them up". See. they would see the control by the Americans as "spitting in my face", and the terrorist acts they would perform would be the "punching in the eye". Let's round these two up and send them to guantamano.

You want to call me a terrorist? Guess what? Your an ignorant fool.

" Actually, moderateman, I haven't seen any "liberals" complaining about this, and i actually am not even sure about what the hell you are talking about taking pictures, so you could either elaborate with an external link or stop spewing anti-leftist nonsense."

Here's a link to a story about the videotaping: Iraqi police, too, use video as tactic

Honestly, I can't find anything about Democrats here, but I only put a minute or two into looking.

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Sunday, February 06, 2005

You want to call me a terrorist? Guess what? Your an ignorant fool.

I think your a patriot... and that trumpts being called a terrorist by a bleeder.

While I see nothing wrong with showing a video tape of captured terrorists, I did not see anything in the original article about torture or the condoning of it either, so I think the equation that this is wrong because it is torture is off the mark.

I also dont see where the tape will stop the terrorists.  I think the intended audience is the terrorist sympathisers.  It shows them not as brave martyrs, but the sniveling cowards they truly are.

If simply showing their faces is somehow a violation of the Geneva Convention, then all of our Post Offices have a big problem.

Cheers,
Daiwa