Ive explained how it would be useful, so do me the courtesy of explaining why it would be the opposite of useful.

I suppose modders should have been charged with creating Rebellion as well hmm?

You arent actually suggesting that simultaneous (mass) scuttling isnt needed because of this "fix" are you?

You agree with SOMETHING...

and yet I got shot at on another thread when I told somebody how to keep the stupid Empire Tree from jumping around instead of whining that it doesn't lock. Heh

I'm broken on this. It would be nice, but not a necessity.

The devs have actually taken up modder ideas for past updates. I imagine it will not end there. Besides, we only put stuff on these threads because they do listen to us, after all. Hey, there's a reason some mods have been featured on game sites and magazines. It's because they are as popular as the game and seen as completing it in some sense or another. Not to say one size fits all or that the MP community cares for mods at all, but modders were expected to be as much a part of this game as anyone/thing else.

The way the scripting is laid out, even loosening the fleet more won't do much. It's like in Total War where you tell a group of soldiers to turn clockwise five degrees. Do they just turn the block? No, they have to turn the whole thing around in a big swirl. Yeah, the pathing isn't super amazing. I use fleets for macro movement and then micro in battle.

I'm in favor of a mass scuttle, including being able to select all structures of a certain type for scuttling.  BUT...the game should give you a warning popup asking if you really want to do this because it would suck if someone accidentally scuttled a bunch of ships by inadvertently pressing Shift-S or the bottom screen scuttle button.  I've accidentally scuttled capital ships and even my home terran before; it would be great if a confirmation window would pop up for those.

I really don't see the point in mass scuttle. I mean I can't think of a situation where I would scuttle a large fleet wholesale. If I needed more supply I would just research more.

Logistic and tactical sturctures maybe but I rarely scuttle them anyways.

How would this be any different than sins late-game?

No, thats not true.

You arent. If you run out of resources, things stop building.

The only reason I can see against this feature is that players who build too much will find themselves "in debt" so to speak. I experienced this firsthand in Earth 2160. This means that everything is building super slow and etc. Its not necessarily bad though, unless the player really REALLY overextends his building and stuff to the point that he cant do certain things when he needs them right away, but like in Earth 2160 you can cancel buildings and research, or you can put them on a priority list. In E2160 you have an icon that pauses/cancels all building and/or research. Players can use this to postpone paying their "debt" and allocate resources where they are needed.

Its mainly needed for scuttling mines, but also when you have massive fleets and also just for convenience since you cant really argue it wouldnt be useful. If you select ten frigates you want to scuttle, they will all be scuttled. If you want to individually scuttle, then you individually select and do so. Thats how it should always have been.

Its really annoying when people try to find things wrong with an idea when there is in reality nothing wrong with the idea.

I told you that it would be an optional feature, and how you could fix the potential problems of this new feature. Ive also explained the usefulness of the feature and you have to take the advantages into account along with the disadvantages Teun. I also havent played SupCom, but as I said in my comment I played Earth 2160 which did have the feature Im suggesting.

I know: I just find this new forum comment editing scheme unfamiliar as Im used to Minecraft forums. It wouldnt let me use the quote identifier for Rovert10 for some reason. It kept ignoring it and so I had to replace it with "[quote]"

You would use it in situations where ships or structures are guaranteed to be destroyed.  For example, lets suppose that 15 LRFs are trapped by PJIs and/or Subverters at an enemy well with a large fleet.  They are going to die without even killing as much as a single enemy ship.  By scuttling them you get some money back and prevent enemy capital ships from gaining experience.  If you're Vasari, you should get 1/2 the money and resource cost back (love that ability).  Likewise, you might want to scuttle a bunch of structures in a gravity well you can't defend for the same reason.

Maybe just me, but I can't see a real use for this feature. The resources my enemy is spending on GC units I would spend on battle ships to destroy said units. Also, why would I bother with GC when something like a novalith fixes any problems a planet has with me much quicker? Or the research for it, why spend the resources on it, when those same resources could go instead to make my fleet powerful enough to make a ground invasion pointless? Not trying to bash, just trying to figure out in the current sins environement why I would bother with it.

I don't think it's a bad idea, I just don't think it would fit well with the sins gameplay. In sins the focus is on fleet battles and things that augment that. This idea while it could possibly add another layer of play, could simply end up detracting from that gameplay.

That would be my main concern, that this would turn into an annoying gimmick that doesn't really enhance the gameplay. That said, I'm for anything that improves the "Sins experience" if you will, so I'll not dismiss it out of hand.

Hmm... your right. I was thinking of something that might counter that. Perhaps that new logistics structure I was thinking about would simply be a planetary upgrade? It would be called for the vasari for example full military lockdown. It would be expensive, cost research, but would give the planet a permanent and large bonus of GC.

Well many things could be done to buff invasion forces versus fleets. I dont really know what that is though, so terribly sorry. Maybe you guys could help me tear it down and start from scratch and come up with something better.

Invasion: The new player ability allows players to take eachother's planets hostage without bombardment. The player who's planet has been invaded can bomb his own planet but at a large penalty to culture on the same planet and a small but permanent allegiance loss on each planet. When a player invades a planet he gets to keep whatever planetary upgrades that were researched, and now controls the gravity well.

Ground Control (GC): This serves as the buffer between invasion forces, and ultimately determines who wins a land battle. This new ship resource serves to represent a ships capability of fighting invasion forces. GC can repel hostile culture up to twice the regional net of friendly culture against a minimum allegiance.

Planets will still be considerably weakened by enemy culture, but GC makes sure that the planet still retains a minimum allegiance. As previously stated all allegiance below the minimum is up to twice as hard to change as everything above it.

GC is a constant ability that is only in use on the planet whos gravity well the ship in question inhabits.

Every structure in the game has this as well, but only hangars and starbases have a decent amount capable of defending a planet. GC doesnt actually give any benefit to the player using it unless an invasion force is sent down to the planet from the following ship types.

Warship: capital ship that has a large amount of temporary GC points and whos invasion ability allows a large but temporary GC bonus.

War Corvette: lands on the planet to supply a permanent GC bonus up to a maximum of (X). The ability that allows it to do this also is capable of starting an invasion.

Planetary upgrades and research: Planetary upgrades can be researched to give planets a small GC bonus, but any serious defense against GC should be invested in war corvettes and other things. Planetary research can be attained in which ground forces gain an air to space weapon whose power is dependant on the amount of GC.

No matter how immaculate the defenses, a planet always falls to the sheer numbers of fleets. This is no less true with GC points as they apply to fleets. A very large fleet's GC will always be superior to the planets without a friendly fleets help.

Simulated GC animations: A kodiak for example can provide GC realistically because it has a small number of surplus armed personnel onboard, and can also provide planetary laser guided bombardment as air support for friendly forces below where previously its weapons were insufficient without the support of ground forces.

A transporter cruiser also has surplus personnel aboard and can also provide strike craft support. These simulated effects dont infringe the ships dps (damage per second) against enemy fleets at all, but they are simulated for the sake of realism. For example; miniature transporters go to and from the planets from the ships, small vehicles appear on the planets surface, strike craft circle it, and small explosions (smaller than normal planetary bombardment) sometimes appear.

The normal traffic stops due to the planets conflict.

When a planet actually gets invaded, unless there is opposing GC it is instantly subjugated. If there is opposing GC, the allegiance will shift slowly in one direction according to whos GC is greatest. Ten way invasions are possible, as are joint invasions.

The system, while it could do without, would greatly benefit from realtime land battles:

There would be another window which you could expand according to your preference. The window represents a battle on the planets capital.

If computer performance is an issue, land forces could be very simple 3 dimensional polygons made to represent land forces as if you were commanding them through a computer terminal, still maintaining a sense of realism yet alleviating computer performance issues.

According to the amount of GC, certain units could be created similar to ships in which each is useful in their own way.

The battlefield would be decently sized for a 10-20 minute game against the other players ground forces. I can see ten way battles being a problem however... maybe they would still be possible.

Many units are similar to the ones in space. A land equilvalent to a light frigate would be a simple rifleman, a LRM a sniper, a protev a drone that sets up outposts on designated capture points, kodiak a shock trooper in powered armor, capital ship a tank, flak frigate a ATA trooper, a transporter doubling as an APC and drone carrier, and the support cruiser medics and engineers, etc. And no, Im not saying that those units would only be available if you had the corresponding ship type in the gravity well, Im merely making an analogy.