You know, you've only got yourself to blame at this point. Earlier on, yeah, it's my fault that the thread got derailed so much. I admit it.

But at this point, you've already said "hey, I'm going to make a new, mod-centered thread". You obviously haven't done so, so right now, it's your own Scheiße verdammte Scheiße verdammt Gott verdammt verdammt fault.

So either STFU with your whining, or make a god-damned new thread.

Really? Spill. NAO.

If you'd bother to, you know, read the rest of that statement, you'd see that my statement actually says "we can compare technologically-different devices by examining their purposes/roles".

Which is totally possible. People do it all the time, like the difference between an eBook and a paperback, or a gun and a crossbow, or an electric lantern and a candle, or gas vs electric cooktops. Different technologies, but similar purposes; a candle provides light, so does a lantern. gas and electric cooktops have obvious purpose, whilst an eBook and a paperback are radically different methods to store written material.

I'll simply note that what's really necessary at this point is for Theo to simply make a new thread that's about the mod, instead of complaining about derails when he's already said that he's considered opening a new thread about the mod.

As an aside, the "hi my name....." bit doesn't work all that well. What would you do if you were a BSG, B5, or 40K fanboy? And what about the possibility of fangirls?!

The problem is that the canon says that a single Imperial-I/-II class Star Destroyer outguns, at the very least, the entire Alpha Quadrant by a handy margin.

So said mod would have invulnerable hordes of super-powered, inexpensive ISDs against paper-thin, meager groups of AQ ships.

This is why we have this magic thing called "BALANCE". Thus, whilst something like say, the Executor-class SSD would still crush a Federation fleet, a lone Imperial-class could be defeated. It also helps that, in-game, the Empire would actually likely have fewer powerful ships, to represent the fact that they are merely a small group dispatched to quell a small problem, rather than the bulk of the Imperial Fleet.

While I'm 99% certain that the majority of your post is in jest, I'll simply say this:

The Star Trek:The Next Generation Technical Manual (ST:TNG TM) describes the photon torpedoes carried by Federation starships as having a 1.5 kilogram antimatter payload. Logically it would have a 1.5 kg matter "block" to react with the antimatter.

Doing the math out gives a maximum yield of 64 megatons per photon torpedo. And that's assuming 100% efficiency (scientifically impossible) and 100% lethality (some products of the reaction will be things like useless neutrinos or pions).

The Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections (SW2ICS) gives the Acclamator-class assault ship's main turbolaser batteries a yield of 200 per shot. Say a refire rate of once every two seconds (30 RPM). That gives a per minute yield of 6 teratons, which is, incidentally, the same amount of energy that the Shoemaker-Levy comet that collided with Jupiter in '94.

The Acclamator-class is 752 meters long. If we make the incredibly naive assumption that firepower goes up with length, then the Imperial-class Star Destroyer's main guns have a yield of around 400 gigatons per shot, and the Imperial-class mounts a helluva lot more guns than the Acclamator. The Imperial-I has six dual-gun turrets; which means it has a broadside throw weight of around 2.4 teratons per salvo, per side, and that's the broadside alone. The Imperial-II has eight octuple-mount guns. Assuming that they have the same yield per shot, despite the Imperial-II's greater reactor power, we get a 6.4 teraton throw weight per salvo. Say we have a refire rate of once per three seconds (20 RPM); that gives a 60-second fire cycle a throw weight of 128 teratons, more than twenty-one Shoemaker-Levy comets, and slightly more than the impactor which formed the Chicxulub crater!

That's some world-killing firepower right there!

So you can see, really, that I'm not embarrassing myself. I'm simply telling it like it is. Going by the canon for SW and ST, the Empire squishes the Federation like a bug. Not even a particularly troublesome, offensive bug, either.

May I remind one of the "invincible" Spanish Armada.

It's game balance. It doesn't have to make any sense from a lore-perspective. It just has to be balanced and fun. Even though in an actual conflict between the Empire and Federation the Feds would be squished like small bugs, in a mod for a game, each side has to have an equal chance of winning.

Obviously, this will not be the case for the simple reason that game balance is something that is very difficult to do; there's always going to be something that someone can exploit.

The 'argument', to use a mathematical term, you present here is a non sequitur. The Spanish Armada was defeated by an enemy of roughly equal parity.

The Empire has significant advantages in the departments of firepower, durability, and strategic mobility. To use the Spanish Armada analogy in a stupidly strained fashion, the Empire versus the Federation is akin to a Spanish Armada taking on the British Fleet if the Spanish galleons can fly at hypersonic speeds, shoot nuclear bombs as cannon shells, and ram a British vessel of similar size and suffer no damage whatsoever.

Obviously, an excessively strained analogy. But one that describes a situation that's actually more favorable to the Feds than what would actually happen in an Empire vs Federation showdown.

Even then, it'd actually be more akin to Roman or Grecian triremes taking on modern day destroyers and carrier fleets.

It's not a strained analogy at all--it's meant as a metaphor.

Something can be perceived as "obviously invincible", a.k.a. "God himself couldn't sink this ship", from a particular viewpoint but, in actual fact, be full of holes logically.

Successful rhetoric is not actual success.

The extra dense armor would explain the slow and clumsy movement of large SW capital ships (actually, the need for cinematic drama is what really explains that) and I'd say the relatively nimble and fast ST ships would certainly be able to use the same tactics Sir Drake did.

The ST universe is also much more rich in its presented canon of diversity of cultures, science, differing technologies and natural phenomena and I'd say their potential to quickly develop a counter to lumbering leviathans that take years to construct and consume prodigious amounts of material found nowhere but in their own homeworld's locales might also be a liability in a protracted war with the Federation.

It needs a proper actual modding thread--it started more as a "what if?".  The title, "Star Wars versus Star Trek" didn't help.

I'd love have this mod released in a moderately playable fashion. After which I will naturally add 40K stuff into my own version so I can bring the Emperor's Light to the godless stars of the heathen Federation and Empire, crush the xeno blasphemy of the Borg, and shepherd the human refugees of the Colonials.

I could so fit into 40K.

Excellent point. Now Theo just needs to stop bitching about thread derailment and do so.

Right, because that's exactly what happened in every star wars movie ever. How can you go on and on about all this ridiculous crap when every single star wars movie contradicts everything you're saying.

but in episode 4 the guy on the star destroyer clearly says "there are no life forms on board the escape pod" and in star trek 9 they are able to know its data on board the shuttlecraft so star trek clearly is more advanced