Playgroundlegend's I'm so salty that he beat me thread

Typically an Ooze beast should have a level advantage due to more flags capped.

That's a fallacy as far as I'm concerned. Any player can only take flags as quickly as they're given to him. Bouncing back and forth to cap the exp flag on cat, for example, doesn't work if they don't continually contest the flag, meaning at best he's one cap ahead from the initial fight, which even then is a risky assumption since it's already been acknowldged that the build doesn't seek out conflict early game.

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Quoting obscenitor,

reply 49

Even at level 20 with a Mageslayer UB with stats is only at 540 autoattack DPS. Assuming 40% mitigation, that's 324 DPS. With the same gear a non-stat UB does 470 mitigated DPS, or 282 DPS, a difference of only 42 DPS, hardly comparable to the 150-250 Spit does, and that's not even counting in the DPS gain from the Blade of the Serpent.

I'd like to add onto this quickly as well. You only assume 40% mitigation of autoattack damage, I assume from armor. However, ooze will reduce that number by another 40% from the attack speed reduction. Factor in the attack speed reduction to the numbers above and it becomes more like ~194 AA dps vs 169 AA dps, a difference of only 25 now (provided I did the math right). Essentially, you loose more damage output due to reduced attack speed as a pure ooze/stats than a hybrid because autoattack is a larger percentage of your total damage output.

IMHO the huge unmitigated damage from spit is just too good to pass up. All you really have to do is drop one person in a 3v3 fight and the skirmish is basically over. Dropping one significantly faster while only sacrificing a relatively small amount of survivability is a tradeoff I'll make any day.

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Quoting DiceAreEvil,

reply 47

Yeah because the mere mention of no spit makes everyone say OMGWTFBBQ

This is why I titled it as such

acclimation reduces all damage, not just auto attack. So in a 3v3 if any of your guys casts a spell on the ooze beast, it procs acclimation. Not to mention that ooze is AOE, and in 3v3 melee everyone in combat will be effected by the ooze, slowing down your entire teams attack rate, not just the guy attacking the beast.

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Quoting obscenitor,

reply 51

Typically an Ooze beast should have a level advantage due to more flags capped.That's a fallacy as far as I'm concerned. Any player can only take flags as quickly as they're given to him. Bouncing back and forth to cap the exp flag on cat, for example, doesn't work if they don't continually contest the flag, meaning at best he's one cap ahead from the initial fight, which even then is a risky assumption since it's already been acknowldged that the build doesn't seek out conflict early game.

If they dont recap the xp flag then I maintain 20% xp advantage per creep wave. If you take it back, I lose that 20 percent, but then I run over for a recap for XP and get the 20 percent back in addition to the xp from the cap.

You can counter this by staying at the xp flag, in which case you give up the flag on the other side and creep waves for yourself.

Or you can cap lock it, which gives me a gold advantage.

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What's generally going to happen though is that both parties will trade off on the flag over and over and end up breaking about even.

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I'm glad your argument is based on what you "think" rather than experience. It's not like I exclusively play ooze I actually play both builds you haters.

Dude, what's your problem? I'm not hating on any build. In fact, up till now, I've been quite civil. I've played against Ooze UBs before, and I've lost to him maybe once.

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Unless you have a MASSIVE flag-cap lead, that alone doesn't get you levels.

Amount of XP gives per flag cap: 100 + 2*currentLevel

Even if you take into account an extra creepwave with every other flag cap advantage (mana side), that still sorta assumes you sent your opponent back to base: may or may not be true.

After level 10 (whcih is when you say you rape), you need to have a LOT of flag caps to have the advantage. The only time you will have that much of an advantage is if you were taking mana side while the opposing beast was on the fortitude flag: not flag capping and sharing XP from a creep wave. This isn't because you're a super-pro, it's because you double-farmed and he didn't.

Plus, when I'm stationed on the mana side, I tend to get Swift Anklet, and I will if I see you running around fast: this means I can beat you to the XP flag everytime you leave, before you cap it... at the very least, it's contested.

Depending on how well the fortitude side is going, I may or may not have someone go contest it for me, so that the double-farmer has no where to go. But it really depends on the situation (one of them down there has a lock, or they are already pushed back and we won't lose the tower if only one stays... etc etc etc).

Level - XP required to get to the next level.

1 200
2 300
3 400
4 500
5 750
6 875
7 1000
8 1125
9 1250
10 1355
11 1520
12 1625
13 1750
14 1875
15 2000
16 2125
17 2250
18 2375
19 2500

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Honestly, I think this is one of those builds where it gets too much advocacy simply because the quality of our player base is so poor. It has gotten to the point where a good player can beat more noobish players with such a variety of builds, that it makes people think that all the winning builds are somehow equal. Spooze is just better than Pooze. Anecdotal evidence may show that you can win with it, but the raw numbers really are against it.

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Quoting Zechnophobe,

reply 58

Honestly, I think this is one of those builds where it gets too much advocacy simply because the quality of our player base is so poor. It has gotten to the point where a good player can beat more noobish players with such a variety of builds, that it makes people think that all the winning builds are somehow equal. Spooze is just better than Pooze. Anecdotal evidence may show that you can win with it, but the raw numbers really are against it.

You heard it here first people. I beat 2 top 5 players with random allies because I'm just that great.

I am currently accepting congratulations, money, free food, your girlfriends telephone number.

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You beat _Shadow and RapierX?

I think that's the class of player he's referring to.

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Apparently you never saw Kalel's old UB build. He used to beat top ranked people with full spit, rank 2 ooze, one rank of claws, and stats. That doesn't mean it's the HOLY SHIT WTFBBQ BEST BUILD EVAR!!!!!!!1!!

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Quoting obscenitor,

reply 61

Apparently you never saw Kalel's old UB build. He used to beat top ranked people with full spit, rank 2 ooze, one rank of claws, and stats. That doesn't mean it's the HOLY SHIT WTFBBQ BEST BUILD EVAR!!!!!!!1!!

OMGWTFBBQ BEASTTTTTTTTTTTTTT BUILD doesn't mean it's the best, I already said this. It means that if you make a build that doesn't go spit people say omgwtfbbq.

This has been addressed two times already.

I'm not going to bother arguing about this build anymore, I dont even play this game, I have to play 4 v 3's in order to get a match because no one wants to play me straight up.

I find it ironic that everyone who posted saying that this build is trash, are the same people who when they are in a lobby with me, will cry that the teams are not balanced, just because I'm not on their team and refuse to play.

Or the same people who'll play me once with their premade, lose, then never play me again.

I'm sticking around until the new demigods come out IN HOPES that the old players, the skilled players, come back at least for a little bit so I can get some good games in before I kiss this game goodbye.

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Quoting Epiphenomenon,

reply 60

You beat _Shadow and RapierX?

I think that's the class of player he's referring to.

Then how did I beat orcun and morpheas with a pug. Oh yeah, they had a hybrid beast on their team and an erebus. OH NO unbeatable hybrid beast

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Forgot to mention, dice used a no spit build in this game vs rawrrrr the #1 ladder play using hybrid.

GUESS WHO WON!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=99032

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Here's me pwning obscenitor and his boyfriend kingslet. I didn't go ooze beast but I figured I'd put this up so everyone reading this can realize why he's so salty all the time.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=99030

Instead of askign for a rematch on the website, he just whines and complains. "wahhhhhh I'm always right, wahhhhhhhh I'm obscenitor." if you were so upset you coulda asked for another beating, I mean rematch. But this is why obscenitor is smart. He knows that the initial ass whooping was so fierce that there was no point in asking for a rematch. IF you can't win in the game, you try to win in the forums.

I beat him, he never beat me, and he never asked for a rematch. but he's always got opinions. And no I won't accept a rematch now months after the inital pwning

I changed the initial post to reflect the proper hybrid build you were referring to. no point in having my own opinion, winning opinion. I might as well side with a loser.

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This is why abuggeredhedgie is so salty about this build:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=99028

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=97839

So basically, I own everyone in the game for free, but I have no idea what I'm talking about

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Quoting playgroundlegend,

reply 22

Quoting SocialistRyan, reply 21no spit, no dmg, bad.

Hey Ryan, remember the game where you lost, then disconnect hacked, and I put the screen shot up on the forums? Go look at the picture and tell me what my skill set is. Who won that match? If it's so bad, then how come you didn't kill me once and I farmed you like an AI?

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lolwat? your memory is terrabad. you were losing that match. you only won b/c one of our guys dc'ed. also ooze without spit is bad. mainly b/c if you try that shit vs another UB who is going hybrid you die. more dmg and health beats less dmg and speed EVERY TIME. heres why; speed stacking isn't that important b/c sure you can leave easier but so what? you can't push off a hybrid ub and any team worth a damn will STILL be able to out play you b/c everyone on their team can 1v1 your UB build.

also thx for not being able to put togeather a good arguement that less dmg is some how more powerful. learn2english kthxbye.

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Quoting SocialistRyan,

reply 67

Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 22
Quoting SocialistRyan, reply 21no spit, no dmg, bad.

Hey Ryan, remember the game where you lost, then disconnect hacked, and I put the screen shot up on the forums? Go look at the picture and tell me what my skill set is. Who won that match? If it's so bad, then how come you didn't kill me once and I farmed you like an AI?

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lolwat? your memory is terrabad. you were losing that match. you only won b/c one of our guys dc'ed. also ooze without spit is bad. mainly b/c if you try that shit vs another UB who is going hybrid you die. more dmg and health beats less dmg and speed EVERY TIME. heres why; speed stacking isn't that important b/c sure you can leave easier but so what? you can't push off a hybrid ub and any team worth a damn will STILL be able to out play you b/c everyone on their team can 1v1 your UB build.

also thx for not being able to put togeather a good arguement that less dmg is some how more powerful. learn2english kthxbye.

Yeah I don't remember it like that. I remember it like I pwn'd your face then you rage quit and forced an invalid gamestate. Then Frogboy got you banned. That's what I remember....... me and the rest of the internet

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Quoting playgroundlegend,

reply 65

Here's me pwning obscenitor and his boyfriend kingslet. I didn't go ooze beast but I figured I'd put this up so everyone reading this can realize why he's so salty all the time.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=99030

I beat him, he never beat me, and he never asked for a rematch. but he's always got opinions. And no I won't accept a rematch now months after the inital pwning

I changed the initial post to reflect the proper hybrid build you were referring to. no point in having my own opinion, winning opinion. I might as well side with a loser.

look if you REALLY want to get your ass handed to you. i'll get my premade on vs your premade and we can end all this useless bitching. you degrade into ad hominem attacks at a moments notice when the entire post is about your bad build. it really speaks to the fact that you dont know how to handle differing opinions/you think this game is srs business.

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Quoting playgroundlegend,

reply 68

Quoting SocialistRyan, reply 67
Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 22
Quoting SocialistRyan, reply 21no spit, no dmg, bad.

Hey Ryan, remember the game where you lost, then disconnect hacked, and I put the screen shot up on the forums? Go look at the picture and tell me what my skill set is. Who won that match? If it's so bad, then how come you didn't kill me once and I farmed you like an AI?

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lolwat? your memory is terrabad. you were losing that match. you only won b/c one of our guys dc'ed. also ooze without spit is bad. mainly b/c if you try that shit vs another UB who is going hybrid you die. more dmg and health beats less dmg and speed EVERY TIME. heres why; speed stacking isn't that important b/c sure you can leave easier but so what? you can't push off a hybrid ub and any team worth a damn will STILL be able to out play you b/c everyone on their team can 1v1 your UB build.

also thx for not being able to put togeather a good arguement that less dmg is some how more powerful. learn2english kthxbye.

Yeah I don't remember it like that. I remember it like I pwn'd your face then you rage quit and forced an invalid gamestate. Then Frogboy got you banned. That's what I remember....... me and the rest of the internet

no the entire interwebs were against the ban mainly b/c it was bullshit and everyone (past the first few posts) saw that. but then again you'd have to read the thread to know that....look kid, you want to end this once and for all then play vs my premade and well post the game.

hell i'll even be nice and i wont force you to use your shit ub build.

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Didn't I end it once and for all... I don't know....... when I ALREADY BEAT YOU?

That's not how it works ryan. If you get beat, someone else get's to challenge the champ. No one wants a scrubby rematch.

No, see it's not useless bitching. Useless bitching is you following me into every thread I make because I exposed you for a cheater to the community.

Me saying that I pwn'd you, then you cheated me, and I don't want to waste my time playing someone I already beat to prove something I have already proved is not useless bitching.

Now please, leave my thread. Don't you have modem cables to unplug?

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I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD SUCH A STRONG FOLLOWING OF SALTY HATERS. I WILL NOT BE RETURNING TO THIS THREAD AS IT NO LONGER SERVES A PURPOSE.

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For what it's worth, I like this build. I'm just not very good at it

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Pure ooze is very good build(and will be even more when they buff Foul Grasp - and they should!!!). I before seeing explanation of his build never thought of it greatness. My personal build has always from the start been hybrid(UB my first dg). And i thougt there in no other UB build to match it, but i was wrong. Ooze build is very viable, but i'm not saying that it's better than hybrid, nor that hybrid is better than Ooze (i wont go in details here) but why cant you guys accept that Ooze build is good& viable, it does not sucks. I both agree with Obscenitor and Playground, they are both right, and have right arguments; it is kind of stalemate, and fighting which build is better is not really smart. (although i would personally give vote for hybrid, but that's totaly irrelevant cause both builds in right hands (of the same player if you want) are strong as hell and serve their purpose in game.

P.S.

beside, you can even max spit on pure ooze build after 15 lvl, if game would go that long. (very rare i know)

but if FG buffed, that is going to be maxed instead

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Jesus Christ man, these are Carifni's stats:

Player Name	Ladder Rank	Ladder Experience	Favor Points	Playtime	Wins	Losses	Win %
carifni	37,572	100	41,040	19,485 minutes	192	539	26.3%

The worst part is that they've IMPROVED since we played. Anyone who reads the following dialogue on that replay list can see that you're just a trollish little kid or imbecile.

You've done nothing but troll here and I implore everyone to report you and have the thread locked or at least have you barred from further editing it.

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