um... So the white gangster stuff is cool? His lyrical ability sets him apart from a lot of rappers, but liking him but not rap music isn't the most intelligent thing I've heard all week...

For the meandering crowd, most Rap is horrible shit that doesn't deserve radio play, but I should be more specific by saying that most Music is horrible shit that doesn't deserve radio play. A lot of rock sucks. Sucks hard. I can't tell you how many records I've bought because I kind of liked one song, only to be pissed at the rest of the album's ear torture. Metallica has a thousand songs, and seven good ones.

Every genre has it's good and bad. The qualifier Rap is just as large as the qualifier Rock. Meaning, that Rock music is Edwin McCain to Slipknot. If you can't find something pleasing in there, you're trying not to find it. But, usually the people with the loudest opinions against a type of music are the most ignorant of music in general, and aren't worth the breath wasted trying to enlighten them.

maybe thats because it doesnt deserve any respect? its a stupid, morally reprehensible, flop of a music style

i mean, you get these 'authentic' rappers from the ghetto romanticising violence, drugs, growing up in a slum, and how fantastic their lives are with all their money, 'bitches and hoes' and super cars, spouting racist comments and promoting reckless and bad behaviour by the populace that are entertained by the music and videos.

you know how many people i know who pretend to be like rappers because they think its cool? its not. and the sooner off people realise it, the better off society will be

Its good to know someone here knows of Minneapolis' finest......

As much as I think rap is one of the worst kinds of music (I'm not an American so that doesn't mean I'm in to Rock!) this is the same dumb kind of attitude that makes people want to ban films and video games.  Open your eyes.

take 10 of the most popular rap songs from the past... lets say 4-5 years, and prove me wrong.

just because we have guns in games, does not make people want to go on shooting sprees (or if it does, its in the EXTREME minority).

whereas by comparison, ive seen dozens if not hundreds of people, both male and female, who want to be just like their rap "heroes", with their ghetto lifestyle, money, bitches, cars, guns, violence, drugs.

i invite you to prove my point of view wrong

is it racist to be racist against a group of people who are themselves racist? im not saying i am. i do have a problem with the rappers themselves, nonetheless, there is an undeniable racist element in rap music, and unfortunately the majority of such rappers are black, yes.

but i am not racist

and to claim so is just to appeal to a still-open wound in society where any little thing can be construed as racism. if i think Kanye West is a true dickhead for what he's done to Taylor Swift, or what he's done previously, im called a racist straight offf the bat, just because he happens to be black

tough shit. and shame on you for trying to silence me and scare me off by calling me racist. thats just bad sportsmanship

i didnt say that. i said the majority of the RAPPERS are black. people of all creeds are affected (negatively) by rap music in my opinion.

but, what i did say, is that i dont see video gamers going on shooting sprees, or single handedly stopping any alien invasions. i do see rap lovers wearing the clothes they see in the music videos, copying the language they hear in the music, and simulating the social behaviour seen in the music and videos.

simple fact is you dont see any significant group of people emulating what you see in video games (except maybe racing games, but then look at Need For Speed, rap and fast cars go hand in hand so...) whereas by contrast you see a huge group of people emulating the behaviour seen in rap/hip-hop music and videos

you create a thread asking people to respect rap, and you go posting this sort of stuff around ? the only reaction you'll get from posting this is people answering "well then rap sucks major cock too" ...

If you want people to respect your musical tastes, start by respecting theirs.

General-JWJ

Devil's Advocate: People started insulting rap first. Rock wouldn't have come into the thread had it not been for them.

why do people insist on generalising music to just Rap and Rock.... there are hundreds of other genres...

Ah, so.

Being racist is genetic, then? And it is something we all share in to some extent, and just can't help it?

There was an article, just in the past couple days, that put forth that idea - that racism was genetic in nature. Might have been Time magazine, or some such.

If so, shouldn't racism be protected under the law instead of being something looked down upon and legislated against?

If we are born that way, we should revel in it. We should promote it as a normal way of life.

my point is people are saying Rap is the best because it is not as white supremacist etc as Rock...

okay, Rap is the best because its not full of the crap that rock is... um, thats like saying Chocolate is the best flavour of all time because its better than vanilla... but there are other flavours... so the statement is false because it is based on false pretenses

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Just like your arguement that Rap is all racist, about money, hoes, drugs, etc. This attitude seems to forget the entire mantra of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll." Applying any stereotype to reality lets one easily detect the idiots from the intelligent. If you came in this thread and said, "I hate main-stream rap, but that's my only experience with it", everyone who truly likes rap will agree with you, with minor exceptions. Most of it sucks.

Just because there are idiots who support Rap like you oppose it, doesn't make either of you right. It just makes the world worse.

I tend to enjoy soul-full hip hop about hope, love, and aspiring to get out of poverty. It's funny, the song I'm listening to now is about a man who's friends daughter was killed, and how the poverty beget poverty and traps people there, teaches them to hate, thus perpetuating the pain. It hasn't mentioned any of the things you said you hated about rap, except for mentioning them as being the problems with the world. It's also not something you'll hear on the corporate radio.

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