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Starbase Changes in galciv2?

November 11, 2004 11:22:12 AM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I know I should just wait till a progress report, but I was wondering if there will be any changes to starbases in Galciv 2?

Starbases are a new concept introducded in GC1 and they evolved nicely but are there further changes you plan to make? Here are some of my desires.

(a) New starbase graphics. I loved the way starbase graphics changed as they got bigger. More of this would be good. Changing starbase graphics to expand like the enw ship graphics would be awesome. Then starbases would look individual.

( development limitations. One of the things I don;t like abotu starbases in GC1 is that there is no incentive to specialise. Eventually every starbase gets almost every expansion built. The last round of starbase module costs did limit and restrict this somewhat. What I would love to see are limits to number of size of modules. You may have to choose between making it a research and trade starbase or a research and defense starbase.

(c) constructor micromanagement. While initial constructure development was great fun in GC1 is soon became a micromanagement nightmare with 10's of constructors being built per turn and being sent to 10's of different starbases. waypoints and automated launch helped, but a rethink of basic constructor usefulness late game is needed. Maybe the addition of larger constructors required for bigger modules?

(d) influence starbases. One of the biggest abuses with starbases was the influence overload that could be achieved. Many evolutions occurred to try to limit or control this (and other multi starbase abuse), such as the minimal spacing between starbases. I'd like to see this removed and a simple 'best advancement used' system implemented. I really don't like situations where cultural victory is obtained by building plenty of maxed out cultural starbases. One poor quality planet should never produce enough culture to flip a Major homeworld within a few years no matter how many cultural starbses are built in the sector. This solution would limit the maximum bonus' a starbase could apply, encourage starbase specialisation and advancement. It should also declutter the space. It would require a further refinement of cultural change though. pity your budget rules out splitting populations into various races and cultures as this would work very well.

(e) logistics. I'm interested to see how logistics will be linked to starbases. I assume they will indeed require some logistics.

Paul.
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Reply #1 November 11, 2004 1:13:47 PM
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e and maybe eventually a terrorstar. You may do this, but the cost of expanding this starbase amounts to 2000 bc. Is that worth it or not. An interesting choice, in my book.

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Reply #2 November 11, 2004 3:42:53 PM
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earch and defensive starbases in a given sector. The homeworld sector and other high population density sectors come to mind as ideal candidates for such a concentration of starbases.

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Reply #3 November 13, 2004 6:11:43 PM
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should be the distance from the trade starbase to the mini-freighter that mattered. A trade starbase that is far away still has a small bonus. Notice this calculation isn't very hard to do.
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Reply #4 November 13, 2004 8:51:42 PM
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ou can set before a constructor is built.

3. I agree with fsk+. But I also think ALL abilities (trade, influence, production, etc) should be related to distance.

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Reply #5 November 13, 2004 9:33:42 PM
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uires giving us more control over key parameters. I can live with logistics, but only if I can set the rules for it so I can play my style of games. In gigantic galaxies, far more starbases are needed, just for speed and trade.
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Reply #6 November 15, 2004 8:44:49 AM
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r> ...
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Reply #7 November 15, 2004 12:06:53 PM
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to the starbase itself. So a military starbase will only be able to have military modules (no culture or trade modules).  So each starbase will have its own appearance based on what kind of starbase it is. 

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Reply #8 November 15, 2004 2:20:28 PM
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Cari.....that's just beautiful. You guys rock

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Reply #9 November 15, 2004 10:03:37 PM
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not sure I like this idea, Cari. Starbase micromanagement was bad enough, but this just sounds like more work for the same gains.

I like fiddling with sliders better than watching constructors.

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Reply #10 November 16, 2004 9:05:13 AM
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discovered upgrade tech to queue'. this should be easier to manage with multiple starbase types.


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Reply #11 November 16, 2004 11:45:20 AM
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me way, except that they'll have a range as opposed to being limited to a sector with artificial lines. 

We will probably add some kind of queue/optional auto upgrade system, but we haven't discussed how it will work yet. 

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Reply #12 November 16, 2004 3:47:57 PM
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Nothing to add here except that I like it.
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Reply #13 November 16, 2004 5:00:57 PM
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uddenly turn it into an influence bomb).  But it will also provide a lot more flexibility for the player as we can have a lot more types of add-ons without the UI becoming so cluttered.

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Reply #14 November 16, 2004 6:41:52 PM
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How about a (relatively cheap) fuelling station - perhaps notionally neutral and extending the range of all races who can reach it?
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Reply #15 November 16, 2004 11:02:23 PM
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number of upgrade elements I have to remember.

Would you guys/gals consider adding in a few time-savers in the starbase department? ::cough::queue::cough::

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Reply #16 November 16, 2004 11:34:06 PM
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ilt constructors would come up as human-controlled.

And then? I would revel in my glory.

I'm dreaming, though...

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Reply #17 November 17, 2004 9:50:06 AM
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Reply #18 November 17, 2004 11:35:54 AM
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Reply #19 November 17, 2004 3:20:40 PM
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We don't plan to have stacking this time around. It would be too complicated anyway since it's not sector based anymore.

The bonuses in a given zone would be based on the best single star base bonus in the area.

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Reply #20 November 17, 2004 4:35:17 PM
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excellent news.

I'm already getting excited!

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Reply #21 November 17, 2004 5:34:40 PM
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haps make it such that you the ideal is one starbase per sector, and anything past that increases in cost exponentially.

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Reply #22 November 17, 2004 7:55:43 PM
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pec can only be destroyed.

You can drop out modules from an all purpose slot and rearrange them on the spec module (for some cost, of course).
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