From Hama's website.

Yes, they do; why? Because "the evil, murderous side" isn't America or its allies.

They do. They really do.

Whatever the IDF or the Israeli government says is dismissed as propaganda.

And whatever Hamas say is fact.

That's how the media worked, that's how liberals work.

What Israel says tends to be supported by video evidence. You can also go there and see for yourself. For some reason Israel always needs evidence, because many people tend to disregard anything said by middle-eastern Jews as lies.

I myself found Israelis to be rude, quick-tempered, and extremely chauvinistic. But they didn't lie. Your experience with middle-eastern Jews could well be different.

Tell me, how many middle-eastern Jews do you know personally that you can make such blanket statements about Israel?

Why are you equating Hamas with the "Palestinians"?

You don't even realise that the majority of "Palestinians" also don't believe what Hamas say. (That is, incidentally, why Hamas have to throw people off rooftops to "convince" them.)

Yes, I do not believe what terrorist groups say.

And yes, I do believe what Israel says.

I do not believe that there is a reason to distrust middle-eastern Jews just because they are middle-eastern Jews.

But I do believe that there is a reason to distrust terrorists for the sole reason that they are terrorists.

And I do believe what "Palestinians" say. That's why I posted this article. with two videos of what "Palestinians" have to say about Hamas. I absolutely and without qualification believe it.

And when you see cause to lie, you see proof for a lie. Is that it? When there is smoke, there must be fire? And perhaps, if enough people repeat it as a fact that middle-eastern Jews lie, it will become accepted fact?

I accept your reason for believing that Israel is lying.

I believe that Hamas lie because they are terrorists, not because they have a reason to lie. An organisation that executes people who disagree with them by throwing them off rooftops is certainly not above lying.

Just watch the three videos and tell me whether you believe them or not. Two are "Palestinian", one is Israeli. Just feel free to explain why you don't believe the Israeli one (perhaps the IDF boobytrapped the Gaza school over the last few days just to shoot the video?) and whether you believe the two "Palestinian" videos.

It really freaks me out that Hamas have so much credibility among western idiots. The Arab world is MUCH MUCH smarter than western liberals. Unbelievable...

I assume the comparison with the Nazis and Hitler is the purest of coincidence and has nothing to do with anti-Semitism (aka reminding Jews of what will happen if they continue behaving like this).

What about "Israel is behaving like Sudan"?

Still doesn't work. Sudan slaughtered 400,000 people and was never attacked by them.

And what about "Israel is like Saddam's Iraq"?

Still doesn't work. Saddam slaughtered millions and was not attacked by them either.

Perhaps we can compare Israel with Hamas?

Both killed hundreds of people.

The difference is that Hamas wasn't attacked by Israel or the PLO but tried to kill Israelis and PLO supporters anyway.

Doesn't really work, does it?

My bible study teacher and friend here, Marv Rosenthal, whom I've mentioned a few times has just written quite a good article on this whole thing giving us much background information putting it all together.  He's a well known and respected Christian Jewish Teacher who knows Israel backwards and forwards.  He's been bringing groups over to Israel for more than 35 years and has watched many things unfold over the years.  He said this:

"If Israel attacked Gaza as she is capable of doing, thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Palestinians would die in the crowded urban areas.  And the truth is, the Gaza Palestinians are not totally innocent-in a democratic election, they voted Hamas into power and supported them, knowing fully what their intentions were toward Israel. 

Instead Israel has taken an amazing high road.  She is making every attempt to spare as many civilians as she possibly can.  Those critical of Israel should stop lecturing the anation about collateral damage.  Israel attempts, as does the United States,  to minimize it more than any other nation even though, in the doing, she endangers her own troops, is forced to extend the length of the conflict, and is castigated by the prostituting entity called the United Nations, along with some Western countries, Muslims everywhere and much of the left wing liberal media.  Such attitudes can come from only two sources, first  a total ignorance of facts as they really are; and second, wicked and virulent  anti-Semitism.   Unfortunately, both are alive and well on planet earth." 

For the whole article entitled "The Truth Under Seige" go here.

http://www.zionshope.org/link_truth_0901.aspx

Just can't bear to admit your mistakes, can you Doc?

Let me repeat it again: "the comparison to Nazis is abhorent and beneath contempt.  And could only be done by one so filled with hatred of Jews as to seek their erradication"

Since it was rightwinger and not me who decided to bring up the Nazi's, I'm fascinated to hear how you're going to try and wriggle your way out of this one. Oh that's right, you'll probably do what you normally do when I show up your rather awkward non-logic/mistakes and ignore it.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

I believe Dr Guy is referring to your usage of the word, not somebody else's.

No....what I'm saying is that liberals like you are always so concerned about the welfare of people who hate you with endless passion and seek to destroy you and the civilization you enjoy. Why? Simply put, because you're not like them.

Whether or not the sins of the parents are passed down is irrelevent when it comes to Muslims, however, because, as a matter of tradition, they purposely pass down the hatred and intolerance they wallow in, themselves. So...the sins just more or less go with it, because they're never allowed to get passed it. The Israelis children suffer, too, as a result.

Liberals are so good at ignoring the gist of their opponent's point; turning it on its head and spinning it around. They do this mainly as a defense mechanism, such as when their own position is morally and intellectually inferior. And they know it.

It's still more acceptable, is it, to fire rockets, unprovoked, at civilian targets, while your enemies restrict their attacks, mainly, to military and government ones? Yeah; that's Nazi-ish, alright. How barbaric.

Thaaaat's right....fall back to the moderate position now. Had to happen eventually.

Hamas' hate and compulsion for violence drag it down in the gutter. Israel is up on the sidewalk, standing by the buildings. Which is good, because strategically, the high ground is the best position!

No it isn't....not at all. Was Israel using their own as shields? Were they >purposely< targeting civilian areas? No. 

Why must you continue to blind yourself to the facts? What's so hard about admitting the truth to yourself? Oh yeah....you're a liberal. 'Nuff said.

Careful rightwinger, sarcasm isn't always picked up?

Casualty numbers still fluctuate:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3660423,00.html

If the above-quoted article is correct it could well be that the propaganda machine succeeded in making up enough civilian casualties to make it impossible for Israel to continue without risking world-wide attacks against random Jews (and possibly Christians).

I don't know who you are or what the heck you are talking about or why you think that my comment was directed at you.