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Installing standard Sins alongside Entrenchment

December 22, 2008 12:58:17 AM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

I have the retail disc , so I decided to install Sins to a new directory in hopes of being able to play either version.

The Porblem I'm having is that when I try to update I'm redirected to impulse where Entrenchment is installed & the new install does not show up so that I may select it for update.

 

Has anyone managed to make this work & if so how?

 

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Reply #1 December 22, 2008 1:29:00 AM
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If Entrenchment has already been installed, try uninstalling it..

Then, install Sins (fresh) only, update to 1.12..

Make a copy of the folder with your original Sins install.

After that, then install Entrenchment..

IF you need to go back to Sins, just rename/copy the folders back to the original locations. In this way, you can switch back and forth..

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Reply #2 December 22, 2008 1:45:21 AM
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I think you need to unclick "show pre-released versions" in your top left menu button. It's a blue button I believe.

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Reply #3 December 22, 2008 5:37:47 AM
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blah,

 

Fist off

you update sins right up from sractch, i have uninstalled both

reinstalled sins of a solar empire, which should be right up to date.

next

if

I try and install entrichment id downloads 90 + meg to the sins directory then impulse does some copying from the orgional sins and it appears to uninstall sins of a solar empire orgional with icon from impulse.

 

if you uninstall entichment it gives you back the icon with sins of a solar empire but its not installed.

 

i have tryed askeing this in another form hopeing to get a decent answer this is not the answer you where hopeing for but more of a explenation of wtf is going on with this impulse.

 

It needs updateing please??????????????????????????????????????????.

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Reply #4 December 22, 2008 11:33:22 AM
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If you click on the orb in teh upper left of Impulse then select Preferences then folders you can change teh install directory.

You should install Sins in one directory and then install Entrenchment in another.  You can run each game seperatly by running the exe in each one.

After the beta goes gold you will be able to run one or the other through a launcher.

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Reply #5 December 22, 2008 11:57:01 AM
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You should install Sins in one directory and then install Entrenchment in another. You can run each game seperatly by running the exe in each one.

Erp, are you sure? Because on beta launch day the major issue was that Entrenchment was installing in another folder and was missing some core game files

The way I know to do a backup is to install Sins 1.12, copy the folder, and then install Entrenchment. Run Sins 1.12 out of the copied folder, and Entrenchment from the original install.

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Reply #6 December 22, 2008 12:26:19 PM
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Quoting Annatar11,
reply 5

Erp, are you sure? Because on beta launch day the major issue was that Entrenchment was installing in another folder and was missing some core game files

The way I know to do a backup is to install Sins 1.12, copy the folder, and then install Entrenchment. Run Sins 1.12 out of the copied folder, and Entrenchment from the original install.

This is the way that I have done it and it works just fine.  I re-named the copied folder to Sins of a Soalr Empire-Pre.

Once I had this "backed-up" in this manner, then I installed Entrenchment over the original folder.  Everything works like a charm...whether running Entrenchment or running v1.12.  You just need to go into the folder and run the .exe file and not run it from Impulse.

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Reply #7 December 22, 2008 8:49:23 PM
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Quoting Annatar11,
reply 5

You should install Sins in one directory and then install Entrenchment in another. You can run each game seperatly by running the exe in each one.
Erp, are you sure? Because on beta launch day the major issue was that Entrenchment was installing in another folder and was missing some core game files

The way I know to do a backup is to install Sins 1.12, copy the folder, and then install Entrenchment. Run Sins 1.12 out of the copied folder, and Entrenchment from the original install.

Yeah, I thought Anny's explanation is correct.. Entrenchment needs to be installed on top of existing Sins installations.. The documentation states that Entrenchment will "overwrite" your exisitng SOASE install.. And you can't install the same SW twice on the same PC using Impulse..

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Reply #8 December 23, 2008 6:24:20 PM
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Thanks alot everyone for the sugestions. I haven't tried any of them yet but I'm sure I'll get it to work.

 

Seems like a long away around to make this happen to me when downloadable patches would do the trick.

Anyway...

Mery Christmass everyone & a happy new year.

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Reply #9 December 25, 2008 12:52:33 PM
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I've now tried to uninstall Entrenchment & then reinstall Sins.

Now when i try to update I keep getting an eror saying "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" WTF does this mean?

I've tried to uninstall sins and impulse several times now & keep getting the same result.

I have to say that I'm getting rather frustrated by now trying to get this to work the way it should of in the 1st place. I'm a big fan of the game , however I'm beginning feel that I'm wasting my time.

 

Please help me resolve this issue as I can't even play updated Sins now.

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Reply #10 December 25, 2008 1:03:46 PM
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Read the notice at the top of the page on every single page in every single forum on every single Stardock site.

The server is dead.  They're working on it.

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Reply #11 December 25, 2008 1:53:24 PM
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I now see it.

It didn't catch my attention at 1st & without clicking on the "read more" link it's a bit unclear what it's trying to impart to a casual user.

Thanks again for the help.

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Reply #12 December 25, 2008 2:11:08 PM
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guess that's fates christmass present .... a broken server

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Reply #13 December 25, 2008 10:37:34 PM
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Finally got it to work.

I did a fresh install, patched , coppied & renamed folder , placed S-cut to the exe on desktop & then installed Entrenchment.

Like I said before , It's a big hassle when all we really need is a patch you can download & save.

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Reply #14 January 30, 2009 12:08:32 PM
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Has anyone found an easy way to update both installs? I'd hate to have to take the long way around again.

 

I tried to simply rename the install folders but it still ran entrenchment through Impulse & I've already updated that.

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Reply #15 January 30, 2009 12:41:41 PM
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nope, unfortunately that is still the only way that you can update both.  It sucks and takes a nice amount of time...but doubt that they will change any of that until the full release of Entrenchment.

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Reply #16 January 30, 2009 12:55:49 PM
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Hi,

            I am having a little bit of a problem running 1.12 (now 1.13) and Entrenchment, sorry, but i will try what you are doing to see if it works for me. I have vista 32 home prem, and copied 1.12 over to the d: drive, then upgraded 1.12 to the 1.13, and then Entrenchment Beta 2.

So now c:\...stardockgames\sins of a solar empire\... is up to entrenchment. I launch and Beta 2 comes up no problem, very nice actually, i like the changes, haven't had a chance to see them all , but the ships look like they have been updated, very nice, and some of the "skins" is that what they call them? Very nice!    Anyway, i can run it from c:\... no problem.

Then i go over to the 1.12 folder on d: and fire up sinslauncher.exe and it loads... Entrenchment!    So i shut down, because i think, hmmmm.... vista keeps a lot in memory, maybe its caching and then when i launch its loading what was in there before. So i shut down and restart. Same issue, doesnt matter where i run it from, old copy , new copy, Entrenchment still loads.  How do i figure out what is happening here, and see if i can get the 2 copies to run there respective versions?  Thank you!!! 

-Teal

p.s. there is an impulse.exe in the 1.12 folder, is that launching Entrenchment?  Should i delete it for the 1.12 old copy?

 

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Reply #17 February 16, 2009 11:28:05 PM
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as i have tryed to say and state before hand, that stardoc needs to change its way that entrichment and sins run along side them selfs , i have entrichment installed in another directory appart from sins, but when entichment is installed it moves files from sin to entichment and well sins is left with folders and no sins.

 

if you uninstall sins the orgiona 1.13 now after entrichment is already installed and working , i find impuse will run orgional sins once or while its still running for that time, next time you restart impulse and run sins again it loads entichemnt, and wont run 1.13 take note of what i am saying thanks.

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Reply #18 February 17, 2009 6:47:52 AM
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And they've said before hand that this is for the beta of Entrenchment. The final release will co-exist with vanilla and you'll be able to switch without having to copy folders.

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Reply #19 February 19, 2009 12:57:06 AM
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Is it possible to have the original sins v1.00 and entrenchment?

Yes, I know v1.00, why you might ask, first of all I have a big issue with the update of 1.03 in regards to resources and jumping.

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Reply #20 February 19, 2009 6:55:31 AM
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Only if you have the disk. Just do the same thing, only install from the disk and make a copy of the folder.

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Reply #21 February 19, 2009 4:03:34 PM
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You will need to manually remove the game folder, and delete 2 Registry Keys before you'll be able to re-install.

Go to C:\Program Files\Stardock Games\Sins of a Solar Empire (or where ever you installed the game) and delete the main folder.

Then launch the System Registry (Start-> run, and type regedit)
Look for and delete the following Keys;

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Drengin.net\sins
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Drengin.net\sinsentrench

For Vista 64 bit;
HKLM>SOFTWARE>Wow6432Node>Stardock>Drengin.net>sins
HKLM>SOFTWARE>Wow6432Node>Stardock>Drengin.net>sinsentrench

Then, reboot your PC and go back to Impulse and try installing the base game. Make sure it installs to 1.13 version, test it out before then installing entrenchment.

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