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Leauki
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Reply #126 November 12, 2008 4:23:13 AM
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"In Soviet Russia television watches YOU!"

 

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Reply #127 November 13, 2008 2:45:09 PM
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I disagree, minimum wage can prevent exploitation with pretty well no negative impact on unemployment or inflation. It's only if you set the minimum wage too high that you get real problems.
To a point I agree; for instance, had a wage raise index been geared to CEOs raises since Reagan those at the bottom would be making about 55 grand a year.

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Reply #128 November 13, 2008 2:54:09 PM
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the Magna Carta, that applied to nobility only
And our Senate.

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Reply #129 November 13, 2008 3:11:07 PM
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And our Senate.

Unfortunately true.

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Reply #130 November 14, 2008 1:07:55 PM
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"I disagree, minimum wage can prevent exploitation with pretty well no negative impact on unemployment or inflation. It's only if you set the minimum wage too high that you get real problems."

Bravo, we can agree.

To a point I agree

Is your support really so fickle steven?     

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taltamir
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Reply #131 November 15, 2008 2:29:48 AM
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Quoting Leauki,
reply 1
"In Soviet Russia television watches YOU!"

In england too, and soon in the USA.

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Leauki
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Reply #132 November 17, 2008 9:07:19 AM
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In england too, and soon in the USA.

In America you can always find a party.

In Soviet Union the Party can always find you!

 

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Reply #133 November 17, 2008 9:14:08 AM
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The jokes are Jakov Smirnoff's, for those who didn't know.

They really put things in perspective.

Here are a few more:

"You have such nice things in the U.S.—like warning shots!"

"We have no gay people in Russia—there are homosexuals but they are not allowed to be gay about it. The punishment is seven years locked in prison with other men and there is a three-year waiting list for that."

 

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Reply #134 November 17, 2008 9:14:47 AM
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Seriously, most of things Americans complain about are things that many other people can only dream about.

Don't throw it all away!

 

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Reply #135 November 17, 2008 11:43:39 AM
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Complaining isn't inherantly bad... I mean ... complaining about things like the DMCA and the Patriot act is a good way to attract politicians to your cause, and help protect those very same civil liberties those aweful laws gutted.

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Reply #136 November 17, 2008 11:51:03 AM
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Is your support really so fickle steven?
No, not fickle, rather conditional--there are always qualifications and contingencies.

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Reply #137 November 17, 2008 6:17:41 PM
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Quoting Leauki,
reply 8
The jokes are Jakov Smirnoff's, for those who didn't know.

They really put things in perspective.

Here are a few more:

"You have such nice things in the U.S.—like warning shots!"

"We have no gay people in Russia—there are homosexuals but they are not allowed to be gay about it. The punishment is seven years locked in prison with other men and there is a three-year waiting list for that."

 

He is one of the best!

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Reply #138 November 17, 2008 9:45:46 PM
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heh, not gays... they have homosexuals in russia, but they are depressed drunks like everyone else

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Reply #139 November 29, 2008 11:03:33 PM
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depressed drunks like everyone else
Is it implicit that we should encourage gays to become addicted to vodka?

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Reply #140 December 1, 2008 5:37:20 PM
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well, they would not longer be "gay" (happy) if we do... but the only effect only their sexuality is that they will have a lot more of it.

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Reply #141 December 2, 2008 1:15:07 AM
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their sexuality is that they will have a lot more of it.
Maybe they'll forget their orientation and go straight.

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Reply #142 December 2, 2008 8:35:23 PM
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its not going straight / gay if you were too drunk to register the gender of the partner.

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Reply #143 December 2, 2008 9:38:33 PM
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The rich got richer and the poor got richer too. 

ANY SYSTEM of independent units that is unregulated will, over time, show increasing differences between the min and max.

If you have 2 people running and one is faster than the other, over time, there will be a huge gulf.

Calling tax cuts redistribution is offensive beyond belief. Our earnings are not property of the government in which the government decides how much we keep.  We are not ruled by kings and emperors. It has no inherent right to what we produce.

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Reply #144 December 4, 2008 1:17:43 AM
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The rich got richer and the poor got richer too.
Granted, this country when compared with the emerging nations, but we have different standards and the wealth gap makes the perception virtually embarrassing. Nor can it be denied that millions of the ostensibly lowlife are barely subsisting and are not open to normal opportunities. It is unfortunate that as wealthy grow to the point that it perceives itself as a blesséd aristocracy, they become callous to the realities of the nether world without ever considering that the disadvantage of DNA deserve some sense of kindness. 

ANY SYSTEM of independent units that is unregulated will, over time, show increasing differences between the min and max.
If you have 2 people running and one is faster than the other, over time, there will be a huge gulf. I agree; so why not some rational regulation?

It has no inherent right to what we produce.
In a utopia free of crime, no need for schools, traffic control or transportation, no wars, no defense...

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Reply #145 December 4, 2008 8:09:43 AM
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The rich got richer and the poor got richer too. 

ANY SYSTEM of independent units that is unregulated will, over time, show increasing differences between the min and max.

If you have 2 people running and one is faster than the other, over time, there will be a huge gulf

Only in absolute/nominal terms, not in proportionate terms. You would expect the $ gap between the top 25% and bottom 25% to widen, for example, but not for the % of income or wealth held by the two to always change in one direction. Hence if you have increasing inequality (by say the rich benefittnig from pretty well all the proceeds of growth, and the poor showing little real change) then it's something you (as a government) will want to look at.

Take your runners example - if person A can run 1 meter in the time that B can run 2 meters, then after A has run 100 meters you'd expect B to have covered 100% more than that (200 meters). The gap has widened by 99 meters, but proportionately is still the same, hence the 'inequality' in their speeds is unchanged - B is still twice as fast as A.

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Reply #146 December 4, 2008 12:45:17 PM
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Quoting stevendedalus,
reply 19
ANY SYSTEM of independent units that is unregulated will, over time, show increasing differences between the min and max.
If you have 2 people running and one is faster than the other, over time, there will be a huge gulf.

I agree; so why not some rational regulation?

What is rational about it? any type of regulation can only hurt both, at BEST it will only hurt the faster runner and not the slower runner, and for what? their absolute status will not change or will change for the worst, just to make the gap smaller? you call this rational?

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Reply #147 December 4, 2008 1:34:37 PM
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What is the virtue of making the gap smaller?

 

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Reply #148 December 5, 2008 7:58:21 AM
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Quoting Leauki,
reply 22
What is the virtue of making the gap smaller?

 

A belief of fairness

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Reply #149 December 5, 2008 8:25:06 AM
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A belief of fairness

Why is that particular interpretation of fairness good?

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Reply #150 December 5, 2008 1:44:17 PM
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Why is that particular interpretation of fairness good?

YOu did not ask for reality, just what they saw as the virtue of it. 

Many people like to point to the last episode of Star Wars as a condemnation of Bush.  However, for anyone that is actually thinking, it is a condemnation of people with good intentions.  That is what the emperor and Anakin had, but to make their intentions real, they had to obtain absolute power, and of course in the end, it corrupted them. 

So it is with the modern day do-gooder.  They dont care how they make things "fair" only that it is so (in their view). And go to any lengths to achieve their ends.

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