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Does the Race Boil Down to Race?

October 4, 2008 3:38:15 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

 

 

There's little doubt that the race would not even be close were the Dem candidate white. There are still those who perceive Obama as Jackie Robinson in his first rough years in the majors rather than cheering him on in later years for his greatness. After these sixty years it will depend on the electorate  gradually coming around to Obama as a Jackie of later years to make the race not even close. I don't think that perception will happen unless Obama edges out this close one and later in office proves he's a legitimate player.

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Reply #1 October 4, 2008 5:16:58 PM
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The guy threatens to raise taxes, is the most liberal Senator in America, associates with shady characters, including a Pentagon bomber... he calls folks living in small towns across America bitter gun and religion clingers, and he accuses our military of air raiding villages and bombing civilians in Afghanistan. I wonder if any of that trivial stuff matters.

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Reply #2 October 5, 2008 11:23:30 AM
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There's little doubt that the race would not even be close were the Dem candidate white

....or had some experience beyond winning a "popularity" contest. Don't worry he's getting more white support than any white candidate has ever received from the black community. I guess it's sort of like the public schools (at least around here) it's cool to be black and you should be ashamed to be white mentality (I was told this by more than one white high school student, so that's what I base my theory on). Apparently many adults feel the same way. That's the only way I can conclude the least experienced (qualified) candidate being selected, unless affirmative action is being applied, then it makes perfect sense. I personally feel the most qualified person, black or white, is the best for the job. But. these days style always wins out over substance.

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Reply #3 October 5, 2008 12:26:14 PM
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There's little doubt that the race would not even be close were the Dem candidate white.

F**k you, too.  That's a remarkably racist comment, completely unfounded and unprovable, not to mention insulting to anyone who conscientiously disagrees with BO's positions & philosophy (assuming he has one beyond getting elected, a big assumption).  Just like BO, the only people injecting race into this election are his supporters.

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Reply #4 October 9, 2008 12:53:47 AM
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F**k
Harsh. Of course, there are legitimate points of view differing with Obama's. But you can't deny the Bradley effect and those who willingly admit to pollsters that they wouldn't vote black no matter what. Further, it is a given that he is where he is because he is black so was Jackie Robinson, but that doesn't take away from his competence.

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Reply #5 October 9, 2008 12:56:19 AM
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But. these days style always wins out over substance.
Especially when McCain has a problem with both. 

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Reply #6 October 9, 2008 1:30:27 AM
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Harsh

Eh, knew you could handle it.

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Reply #7 October 9, 2008 1:37:47 AM
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those who willingly admit to pollsters that they wouldn't vote black no matter what

I believe, on a percentage basis, there are far fewer whites unwilling to vote for a black solely on the basis of skin color than there are blacks unwilling to vote for Whitey on the basis of skin color.  Or, to take the corrolary, will vote for a black only because he's black.

I strongly suspect that race-based votes constitute a far greater percentage in the black community.  YMMV.

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Reply #8 October 9, 2008 1:40:48 AM
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Oh, and I meant to ask you:  Does this mean you think it's because Obama actually looks like a darker-skinned version of all those Bush Monkey cartoons with the big ears?

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Reply #9 October 9, 2008 2:09:43 AM
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Does this mean you think it's because Obama actually looks like a darker-skinned version of all those Bush Monkey cartoons with the big ears?
It could be a perfect out for whites to use that as a lame excuse: "I voted for McCain because he reminds me too much of Bush with even bigger ears."

on the basis of skin color than there are blacks unwilling to vote for Whitey on the basis of skin color.
In light of blacks having FOR YEARS no choice  but to vote for Whitey, I see no wrong here since blacks have waited a very long time for this event and correctly should feel proud and enthusiastic.

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Reply #10 October 9, 2008 7:16:43 AM
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There's little doubt that the race would not even be close were the Dem candidate white.

I am not going to disagree with your whole premise, but will say that it is not all about race.  Indeed, I think that is a minor (although identifiable) factor.  What it is about is experience.  We are in a perceived "crises" and in those times, who do most people look to for leadership?  Young unproven, or experience proven.  Like it or not, Obama's inexperience is coming back to haunt him, and every time the democrats pounce on Palin's inexperience, it reminds people that Obama has none as well.

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Reply #11 October 9, 2008 7:19:07 AM
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But you can't deny the Bradley effect

Uh, wrong - it is the WILDER effect.  Wilder was first.

But as Wilder said (he is a great orator), Obama better hope it is the Wilder effect - Wilder won!

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Reply #12 October 9, 2008 10:48:23 AM
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blacks have waited a very long time for this event and correctly should feel proud and enthusiastic

Last I checked, elections weren't sporting events, but that's what this statement shows you believe them to be, as least as far as the black community is concerned.  I find that very insulting to blacks.

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Reply #13 October 12, 2008 1:24:10 PM
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Last I checked, elections weren't sporting events, but that's what this statement shows you believe them to be, as least as far as the black community is concerned. I find that very insulting to blacks.
What a batshit take on my comment.

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Reply #14 October 12, 2008 2:18:59 PM
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What an intellectually vapid comment.  That it's OK for blacks to vote for someone for no other reason than that he is black, without any regard for what that black person stands for.  If you really believe that, why isn't Michael Steele Governor of Maryland?

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Reply #15 October 12, 2008 2:36:55 PM
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Good grief.  EVERY election Democrats think that they should win by a mile if only Republicans were't either:

a. cheaters

b. racists

c. idiots

d. all of the above.

If Democrats want to have easy wins, they should try not nominating someone at the fringes of their party.

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Reply #16 October 16, 2008 3:52:50 PM
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If Democrats want to have easy wins, they should try not nominating someone at the fringes of their party

Would you have preferred Al Sharpton? Cheez, Brad, Obama is a lightweight and surely no terrorist nor fringie. How do you think Jackie made the  big leagues?--he had to behave nearly white.

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Reply #17 October 16, 2008 4:30:49 PM
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Some people can't help being racist even when apologizing for being racist.

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Reply #18 October 16, 2008 6:21:07 PM
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Would you have preferred Al Sharpton?

he said at the fringes - not the insane.

 

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