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Hypocrisy, thy name is the DNC

Lies, Lies and More lies as long as it furthers your agenda.

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October 12, 2004 1:25:38 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Well, where was the denizens of truth and justice when Dan Rather did that hack job, fraught with fraud and forgery, on George Bush? Where were the keepers of the flame when Author Kitty Kelley prmoted her book on 3 days on NBC. A book so fraught with lies and half truths that even the purported source of her most scandalous item retracted her support?

Where was the outrage when the lie-amentary from Michael Moore (proven to contain at least 59 falacies and so many half truths as the category of documentary had to be withdrawn) hit the theaters and now coming to PPV near you?

Where? Why trying to stop a true documentary film that is supposed to be aired that just criticicizes, not lies about, John Kerry. The Very DNC, that group for the poor little guy, is now trying to stomp on the little guy.

Sinclair is trying to air a documentary on what other veterans thought and think of Kerry's betrayal of them during the Vietnam war. And they are being threatened by the DNC, 20 Democrat senators, and Kerry's campaign (who threatens to take them down after Kerry's elected), and no Less than Moveon.org (like that is even a surprise or schock from that hate site?).

It would be seriour if it was nost a comedic opera being played out in the media right now! Just get this quote from moveon.org:

The liberal political group MoveOn.org said it will challenge the FCC and the licenses of the local stations that broadcast the partisan film, "because local stations have a responsibility to the community to air real news, not partisan messages," said founder Wes Boyd.


While the polls show a tight race, it is apparent from the shrill screams from the DNC and Kerry Campaign, as well as their willing syncophants in the liberal media, that something is not right with the Kerry Campaign. When a campaign only shows fear and threats, they know something we dont. And that something seems to be Kerry is losing, and losing big.

They are living in a glass house, and dont even know to pull the curtains when they take a dump.
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Reply #1 October 12, 2004 2:23:57 PM
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Hypocrasy, they name is the DNC


Correction: Hypocrisy, Thy Name is DNC

Might want to do that before someone from the Demicans attacks you for bad English because they will grasp for straws and that is one less straw that you could give them. (cough example second debate Demican attack on Bush regarding grammar cough)

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Reply #2 October 12, 2004 2:25:58 PM
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nah, although I'm an Engllish teacher, I don't enjoy going about playing grammar nazi
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Reply #3 October 12, 2004 2:37:52 PM
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although I'm an Engllish teacher,


What level of school do you teach at?

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Reply #4 October 12, 2004 5:07:42 PM
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Dr. Guy:

The program that Sinclair intends to show is a political statement and not a news report. That requires equal time to the candidate to rebut the program. This is not the same as Fox interviewing Kitty Kelley about her book. Kelly is not a 527 group and this is.

Once again we have a case where politicking gets ugly because both sides think this election is so crucial that they are willing to sacrifice everything (including advertising revenue) to win. Interesting that a spokesman from Sinclair himself said that if this were a help to Bush then it was no different than Iraqi car bombers helping Kerry by blowing up our troops.

We've all know all along that this was going to get uglier and uglier. Expect both sides to do even worse than this before it's over....
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Reply #5 October 12, 2004 5:10:20 PM
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lol

I just realized my typo there

hahahahaha
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Reply #6 October 13, 2004 7:29:56 AM
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Thanks Xiozan. It actually is due to pinched nerves in my elbows that render half of each hand virtually useless. SO I fat Finger a lot. I try to remember to correct things, but I guess I overlooked the title! Oops!
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Reply #7 October 13, 2004 7:35:40 AM
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The program that Sinclair intends to show is a political statement and not a news report. That requires equal time to the candidate to rebut the program. This is not the same as Fox interviewing Kitty Kelley about her book. Kelly is not a 527 group and this is.


You are wrong. It is not a political statement, unless you can claim that anything said about a candidate is a political statement. Error number 1. Error 2, stations are no longer required to give equal time to the candidates, and besides, the DNC has not even asked for that.

Error 3, it was not Fox, but NBC that did the Kelley interviews. And I was not maintaining she was a 527, just that she got major media exposure for what is in essence lies and innuendos, with nothing based on fact. Based upon your definition of a political statement, that sure would have qualified.

Error 4, Moveon.org is a 527. Why has the DNC not repudiated it? They seem to have a mental block with just swiftves.org, and this, which is a documentary on the effects of Kerry's statements after returning from the war.

My Original statement stands, and you should get a job for MM. Your facts are as solid as his.
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Reply #8 October 13, 2004 11:22:16 AM
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The program that Sinclair intends to show is a political statement and not a news report. That requires equal time to the candidate to rebut the program. This is not the same as Fox interviewing Kitty Kelley about her book. Kelly is not a 527 group and this is.


The group who is pushing for the program is not really a 527 group, so they fall into the same group as Moore and Kitty Kelly.
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Reply #9 October 13, 2004 12:25:18 PM
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Thanks Xiozan. It actually is due to pinched nerves in my elbows that render half of each hand virtually useless. SO I fat Finger a lot. I try to remember to correct things, but I guess I overlooked the title! Oops!


Ouch!

Is there any way to treat those pinched nerves or are they in the same boat as a herniated disc that screws with nerves in the back (inoperable and the person has to live with it)?

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Reply #10 October 13, 2004 12:40:11 PM
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Reply #9 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/13/2004 12:25:18 PM
Thanks Xiozan. It actually is due to pinched nerves in my elbows that render half of each hand virtually useless. SO I fat Finger a lot. I try to remember to correct things, but I guess I overlooked the title! Oops!


Ouch!

Is there any way to treat those pinched nerves or are they in the same boat as a herniated disc that screws with nerves in the back (inoperable and the person has to live with it)?

- Grim X


Depends on where it's pinched at. Ones pinched in the elbow can be fixed with surgery. I've had to have both sides done. What they do is to move the nerve out of the channel in the elbow that is pinching it. Not a pleasant recovery either. Think about it. If your ridht handed and that's the side being worked on just who is going to wipe your butt for you? Especially since you can't bend the arm that was worked on.
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Reply #11 October 13, 2004 1:01:34 PM
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Damn, I guess it would be nice to be married for that...

'Honey can you wipe my ass?'

'Sweety where are you running off to?'

'Why are you getting into the car and driving away?'



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Reply #12 October 13, 2004 1:23:00 PM
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Reply #11 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/13/2004 1:01:34 PM
Damn, I guess it would be nice to be married for that...

'Honey can you wipe my ass?'

'Sweety where are you running off to?'

'Why are you getting into the car and driving away?'


Or at the very least a very understanding girl friend.
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Reply #13 October 13, 2004 1:32:28 PM
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Or at the very least a very understanding girl friend.


Yeah, but you have no way of guaranteeing she will be THAT understanding.
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Reply #14 October 13, 2004 1:35:08 PM
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Reply #13 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/13/2004 1:32:28 PM
Or at the very least a very understanding girl friend.


Yeah, but you have no way of guaranteeing she will be THAT understanding


She would do it if she loves you!
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Reply #15 October 13, 2004 2:10:10 PM
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herniated disc that screws with nerves in the back (inoperable and the person has to live with it)?


I have one, and it's operable.  Makes my feet feel like they're asleep some of the time and makes my leg and back hurt like the dickens.  I'm going to see the neurosurgeon next week, actually.


Anyway, this thread is now waaay off topic....

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Reply #16 October 13, 2004 2:19:13 PM
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Sinclair has it's right to Freedom of Speech just like anybody else, personally Kerry Camp guys are turning into anti-Free speech people.

Though some will argue that Moore is not getting on public tv, but that is once again the TV Broadcasters exercising their Freedom of speech by not playing it.

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There back on Topic,
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Reply #17 October 14, 2004 10:14:30 AM
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Is there any way to treat those pinched nerves or are they in the same boat as a herniated disc that screws with nerves in the back (inoperable and the person has to live with it)?


First, they dont hurt. I just lose strenght in my hands and dexterity in my fingers (the outer 2). Second, yes I have had one operation, and probably have the second early next year. But once the damage is done, it cant be undone.

So I guess I am lucky! No pain, is no Pain as I say! !

As a "Did you know", Carpal tunnel affects the index and middle finger. Pinched nerves affect the ring finger and the pinkie. I am glad I dont have both CT and a Pinched nerve!
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Depends on where it's pinched at. Ones pinched in the elbow can be fixed with surgery. I've had to have both sides done. What they do is to move the nerve out of the channel in the elbow that is pinching it. Not a pleasant recovery either. Think about it. If your ridht handed and that's the side being worked on just who is going to wipe your butt for you? Especially since you can't bend the arm that was worked on.


DR, very true and that is where mine were/are pinched. But I never got full use back of my outside fingers. Did you? I may have waited too long tho. I hate doctors (Name not withstanding).
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Reply #19 October 14, 2004 10:29:40 AM
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Two things:

(1) Personally, I think that Sinclair has the right to force their stations to show this anti-Kerry propaganda. The problem with American media isn't that media outlets are too partisan, but that the Left hasn't built up a infrastructure of partisan media that mirrors right wing talk radio and Fox News. Air America Radio is changing that on the talk show front, and my guess is that by 2008 there will be an openly liberal news network.

(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.
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Reply #20 October 14, 2004 12:16:51 PM
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Reply #18 By: Dr. Guy - 10/14/2004 10:17:52 AM
Depends on where it's pinched at. Ones pinched in the elbow can be fixed with surgery. I've had to have both sides done. What they do is to move the nerve out of the channel in the elbow that is pinching it. Not a pleasant recovery either. Think about it. If your ridht handed and that's the side being worked on just who is going to wipe your butt for you? Especially since you can't bend the arm that was worked on.


DR, very true and that is where mine were/are pinched. But I never got full use back of my outside fingers. Did you? I may have waited too long tho. I hate doctors (Name not withstanding).


I really couldn't tell you one way or the other. I also suffer from MS which can wreak all kinds of havoc with the central nervous system. but to be honest I never really lost function in my hands to start with. Just general numbness in the hand along with some localized pain.
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Reply #21 October 14, 2004 2:38:54 PM
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(1) Personally, I think that Sinclair has the right to force their stations to show this anti-Kerry propaganda. The problem with American media isn't that media outlets are too partisan, but that the Left hasn't built up a infrastructure of partisan media that mirrors right wing talk radio and Fox News. Air America Radio is changing that on the talk show front, and my guess is that by 2008 there will be an openly liberal news network.

(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.


1. No, even Businesses should have their freedom of speech and Sinclair owns those stations.

2. No, Freedom of Speech once again trumps personal prejudice, plus if Moore was able to get his show on TV Networks like CBS, ABC, or NBC they would force down the throat of all their little stations much like you accuse Sinclair of doing, but even than still Freedom of Speech and the stations could refuse to play it. Plus since when does a Network have to listen to what a Station tells them, hmm? Station just usually goes along with the flow and does what the Network tells them to do.

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Reply #22 October 14, 2004 5:11:11 PM
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1. No, even Businesses should have their freedom of speech and Sinclair owns those stations.

2. No, Freedom of Speech once again trumps personal prejudice, plus if Moore was able to get his show on TV Networks like CBS, ABC, or NBC they would force down the throat of all their little stations much like you accuse Sinclair of doing, but even than still Freedom of Speech and the stations could refuse to play it. Plus since when does a Network have to listen to what a Station tells them, hmm? Station just usually goes along with the flow and does what the Network tells them to do.
Hey Grim,

1. Didn't you just say the thing I did? I don't see any disagreement, so why the "no"?

2. Once again, I don't see how you're disagreeing with me, unless your point is that you wouldn't hit the roof. But you're not even a Bush supporter, are you? So that doesn't contradict what I said.

Did I misunderstand you?
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Reply #23 October 14, 2004 6:41:19 PM
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Nope, just getting the two cents in.
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Reply #24 October 15, 2004 2:32:05 PM
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(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.


No, just the truth. We did not ban F-911, we just did not support it.

And I doubt your prediction of 2008 will come true. The simple reason is that talk radio is not a conservative conspiracy. It is money driven. If you want to suceed, you have to attract an audience. Air America is doomed to failure for that reason.

Finally, Fox News is not right wing. It is Center. Unless you consider everything that is not left to be right wing. Then I would have to agree.
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Reply #25 October 15, 2004 3:00:20 PM
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No, just the truth. We did not ban F-911, we just did not support it.


Sorry, but there was a very large conservative movement that tried to stop F/911 from getting in the theaters.

Where was the outrage when the lie-amentary from Michael Moore (proven to contain at least 59 falacies and so many half truths as the category of documentary had to be withdrawn) hit the theaters


You have got to be kidding! Did you really miss all the pissing and moaning from the Republicans?

Finally, Fox News is not right wing.


It may not be "right wing", but there is definitely a right of center bias there.
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