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September 22, 2004 10:54:03 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
From the Associated Press:
WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine when it was discovered that passenger Yusuf Islam — formerly known as singer Cat Stevens — was on a government watch list and barred from entering the country.

United Airlines Flight 919 was en route to Dulles International Airport when the match was made Tuesday between a passenger and a name on the watch list, said Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration.

The plane was met by federal agents at Maine's Bangor International Airport around 3 p.m., Melendez said.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Dennis Murphy identified the passenger as Islam. "He was interviewed and denied admission to the United States on national security grounds," Murphy said.
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Reply #1 September 22, 2004 10:59:06 AM
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I heard this on the news this morning and laughed my ass off.  Yeah, the singer of "peace train" is a suspected terrorist.
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Reply #2 September 22, 2004 12:53:17 PM
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It's too bad Mohammed Atta didn't have some hit albums in the 70's -- we might still have the WTC.
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Reply #3 September 22, 2004 1:23:40 PM
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YOu miss the point. Iuse to have some Cat Stevens Albums. I destroyed them when he endorsed the murder of Salman Rushdie. Anyone advocating the death of a person for merely writing a book, is a terrorist. His so called peace preachings not withstanding, he is a dangerous man due to his preaching, and one we dont need here in this country.
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Reply #4 September 22, 2004 1:26:42 PM
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"I heard this on the news this morning and laughed my ass off. Yeah, the singer of "peace train" is a suspected terrorist."


The singer of "peace train" that supports the assassination of "enemies of Islam" and who had donated money and material to Hamas. I suppose a few hit songs gives you a free-ride when it comes to actively supporting suicide bombers...

Funny, if this had been some gangsta rap star, people wouldn't have batted an eye. When it is some guy that used to be a anti-war, 70's hippy, though, it doesn't matter what his ideologies are. Is why Kerry has a possibility of election, I guess.

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Reply #5 September 22, 2004 1:29:46 PM
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he is a dangerous man due to his preaching


So's John Ashcroft, but we let HIM stay. I'm happy you played the Nazi book-burner with your Albums.
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Reply #6 September 22, 2004 1:31:24 PM
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if this had been some gangsta rap star


you have said nothing that backs this up. the next time 50 Cent gets refused entry to the country, come make this argument again.
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Reply #7 September 22, 2004 1:34:12 PM
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(sings) 'There is a cat named Stevens who won't be let into this country anymore, ooo woooo.'
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Reply #8 September 22, 2004 7:34:08 PM
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you have said nothing that backs this up. the next time 50 Cent gets refused entry to the country, come make this argument again.


If 50 cent got denied entry, I'd Balk. But this guy shouldn't be in this country. Neither should Cheney.
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Reply #9 September 22, 2004 7:55:14 PM
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I heard this on the news this morning and laughed my ass off. Yeah, the singer of "peace train" is a suspected terrorist.


With good reason, actually. The support of the Salman Rushdie fatwa notwithstanding, Yusuf Islam has been an active fundraiser for groups that channel money to Hamas.

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Reply #10 September 22, 2004 7:57:15 PM
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I'm happy you played the Nazi book-burner with your Albums.


Destroying his OWN albums, that he purchased, is not censorship, it's a personal choice.


 


By your standard, I am censoring rap artists by not having their music in my house.

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Reply #11 September 22, 2004 8:58:15 PM
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I'm happy you played the Nazi book-burner with your Albums.



Destroying his OWN albums, that he purchased, is not censorship, it's a personal choice.


Indeed.

Supporters of terrorists is not welcome to enter USA, IMHO.
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Reply #12 September 22, 2004 9:01:20 PM
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Reply #12 By: XX - 9/22/2004 8:58:15 PM
I'm happy you played the Nazi book-burner with your Albums.



Destroying his OWN albums, that he purchased, is not censorship, it's a personal choice.


Indeed.

Supporters of terrorists is not welcome to enter USA, IMHO.


Hear,Hear!!! You wanna support terrorism? Fine. But YOU AIN't gonna do it here!
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Reply #13 September 22, 2004 9:14:32 PM
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I'm just astonished that they didn't catch him until the plain landed on US shores. What would have heppened if he were a real terrorist? I guess we would have just contended with the fact that he made a "crash landing" in Washington. I doubt a real terrorsit would heed the diversion orders. So much for a more secure United States! Thanks a lot, Bush.
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Reply #14 September 22, 2004 9:55:49 PM
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I'm just astonished that they didn't catch him until the plain landed on US shores. What would have heppened if he were a real terrorist? I guess we would have just contended with the fact that he made a "crash landing" in Washington. I doubt a real terrorsit would heed the diversion orders. So much for a more secure United States! Thanks a lot, Bush.


I don't think every supporter of terrorism is at heart a suicide bomber, but I do agree that he should've been kicked off the plane sooner.
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Reply #15 September 22, 2004 10:59:08 PM
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Anyone advocating the death of a person for merely writing a book, is a terrorist.


Careful, folks. Stretch the definition of terrorist too far and it will become meaningless. After all, on national TV Jimmy Swaggert just advocated killing any homosexual who looked at him the wrong way. (He said he'd tell God the guy just died, forgetting that whole omniscience thing I guess.) I guess he'd be a terrorist by this thinking. Or he would have been if he hadn't apologized today. Oh, but wait...would you guys be satisfied if Cat Stevens apologized for supporting the Rushdie manhunt?

This is not to say that I support Steven's actions in either financially contributing to Hamas (and the like) or supporting the fatwa on Rushdie. We can think of all kinds of names for him and still keep him out of the country. But let's keep our focus on the actual terrorists and not turn "terrorists" into the Red-witch-hunts of our time. Cuz if all it takes to be a "terrorist" is deathwishes for an author you don't like and few donations, we're all f**ked.
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Reply #16 September 22, 2004 11:07:51 PM
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bungy,


You are correct. However, please note the state department did not declare him a terrorist, but rather a POTENTIAL terror threat, and denied him entry into a country where he does not have, nor has ever had, citizenship.


Travel to other countries is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. It IS, however, the country's right to deny admittance.

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Reply #17 September 22, 2004 11:31:33 PM
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So where did he go if he was denyed entry to the USA?? Where is he now?? Did he get kicked off the planet??
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Reply #18 September 22, 2004 11:36:01 PM
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Whew, Gideon. I'd really be worried if the state department was calling him a terrorist. No, my response was for the use of terrorist on this thread, and specifically by Dr. Guy.

I am actually okay with the denied entry thing, in this case. Go figure.
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Reply #19 September 22, 2004 11:54:43 PM
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"Stretch the definition of terrorist too far and it will become meaningless. "


But if you don't stretch it far enough people won't take the harm they do seriously. There are wealthy Arabs all over the Middle East pumping money into Hamas that don't consider themselves terrorists.

People need to be made to see that buying the bomb vests is just as bad, if not worse, than wearing them. It isn't the suicide bombers that are the main threat, since they only die once. The real threat are the people that keep funding their attacks. One causes a single attack, the other causes innumerable attacks.
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Reply #20 September 23, 2004 2:59:12 AM
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Funny, if this had been some gangsta rap star, people wouldn't have batted an eye.


They all live in America - you dont hear about them being deported because other countries aren't anally retentive and draconian when it comes to immigration... People seem to forget Yusuf Islam also supported the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks against America, which he condemned.

let me just say I am glad Muggaz is just a handle, and not on my passport... I purchased a Muslim some lunch once...

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Reply #21 September 23, 2004 3:09:51 AM
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you dont hear about them being deported because other countries aren't anally retentive and draconian when it comes to immigration


What country do you live in Muggaz?? Umm.. .doesnt the australian government currently hold quite a number of detainees in detention centres across the country?? The majority of them being muslim.

Im sorry if it seems like I am attacking you Muggaz but it seems to me you are blinded by the fact that our government is closely alligned with the bush administration on the majority of issues which you are pissed off about, and you support the coalition!
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Reply #22 September 23, 2004 3:17:12 AM
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What country do you live in Muggaz?? Umm.. .doesnt the australian government currently hold quite a number of detainees in detention centres across the country?? The majority of them being muslim.


They are illegal refugees mate... not deported or held because they are Muslim, but because they did not have permission to enter, which is classified the norm in Australia, actually, I am pretty sure you need to apply to immigrate to most countries... they are not at all in detention because they are Muslim, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.

quit hijacking threads and talk about it somewhere else, I will happily explain my justification...

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Reply #23 September 23, 2004 3:21:02 AM
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they are not at all in detenetion because they are Muslim, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron.


I didnt say that they were detained because they were Muslim but that the majority of them are Muslim.
quit hijacking threads and talk about it somewhere else, I will happily explain my justification...


Im not hijacking threads just pointing out that your arguments dont match up to your political interests.
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Reply #24 September 23, 2004 3:25:27 AM
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If you cant understand that the American republican party is a lot further right than our centralist right sided governement which is but a heartbeat away from our centralist left Labor party... well... I cant help you...

Sorry for the thread hijack blogic, i just needed to explain some politics to my friend here...

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Reply #25 September 23, 2004 3:37:53 AM
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Hmm Muggaz maybe you need to really take a closer look at the policies of the Howard government.

Do you think we should let Cat Stevens in Australia? Do you think the gracious immigration policies of the Howard government would allow him to enter our country or do you think he would be refused entry?

You constantly refuse to acknowledge that our country is also at war alongside the americans yet you attack them for it and refuse to acknowledge that it is the policies of the howard government that brought us to this decision. Yet you continue to write article apon article attacking the bush administration for its policies which are supported wholeheartedly by the Howard government, a government that you support.

I just dont get it and Im sure many of the Americans who read these blogs dont get either. Take a look at what the Howard government is doing to our country before you go on attacking the policies of the bush administration of which are closely similar to those of our own government.
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