That has to be the longest trailer I've ever seen...heh.  Looks good though and I plan to see it.

Maybe when you come up for the birth we can go on a field trip to the creation museum.  It's about an hour away give or take.

Ben Stein is so funny.  I know him best from the movie "Son of the Mask"...he says in that anyone?  anyone?  heh.

 

 

then why not use it as it was intended........

also Ock you might want to get an update for all your stuff you printed above.  1991?  Really that's pretty outdated.  Also, the evidence does not point to evolution.  The evidence points to a designer and that's why the ID theory has gotten so much attention the last few years.  We're actually fighting in my state over this right now.  It's in the courts as we speak.

 

hmmmmm I just lost what I submitted.  Where'd it go?  I saw it then it disappeared!  Oh well try it again.

I'd love to go.  I really would love to see this museum.  Remember when I first brought this up and nobody had heard of it?  Well now millions have gone to see it.  Anyhow maybe we can take Amanda with us if she's up for it.  Lunch is on me!

hahahahah Zoo, it'll be good for you.  Remember you're the open minded one, right?   Tova and I will do a book report when we get back just in case you can't go.  I'll  take good notes.

ahah!  Not quite so open minded as you portray huh?  

That settles it then, you HAVE to go.

Seriously, if you are going to be around this summer...when KFC comes a visitin, we should all meet up. 

Heh, heh.  Well, we'll see what I'm up to this summer.

Show me evidence and you'll see my mind blossom like a flower.  However, making up a funhouse of what you like to see...is more in the realm of an art gallery rather than a museum.

~Zoo

Does not apply to me.

I'm skeptical of everything until I check it out for myself. I don't believe in the "They say" mentality. The question I will always ask is invariably, "Who says?"

In addition, I'm willing to analyze religious texts...but they don't seem to hold up against testing...in fact much of those things cannot be tested and therefore are not science. Replacing one mystery with an even bigger mystery(i.e. God did it) is not scientific and therefore regressive of our ability to learn and figure out the world.

The Bible(or any holy text) as it stands, unchanging, is in fact the equivalent of flipping off the lights and believing about a room rather than knowing about it. Science is the flashlight in the dark, the Bible is the blindfold in the dark. The light illuminates, the blindfold remains the same...just pray that no one moves the furniture around or you're screwed.

~Zoo

the bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);

Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);

Some creeping insects have four legs. (Lev. 11:22-23);

Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);

The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);

The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);

The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);

The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);

Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);

The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);

The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);

Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);

The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9;

The moon is a light source like the sun (Gen 1:16)

So...these are all facts, however they are all wrong.  Way to be infallible, Bible!

~Zoo

Zoo,

If you went to the source to get your info, instead of a bible bashing site, you would have stumbled most likely over what Job had said just before 37:3.  He said this in 26:7:

"He (GOD) stretched out the north over the empty place, and hanged the earth upon nothing."

How'd he know that?  This was most likely written BEFORE Moses.  Moses wrote about 1400 BC. 

 

Well you wouldn't be asking if you read this in context.  To say the earth has edges or ends by reading a Poetic book as fact is not good exegesis for one thing. 

 When I say....I'm at the end of the road with you.  DOes it mean I'm literally at the end of the road or does it mean I'm finished? 

The point in the passage wasn't that the earth had edges or ends but that God is in control and is able to reach to the uttermost of the earth.  There's not even a hint here that the earth has edges Zoo.

The bird thing?  That whole section about the bat and all the birds were unclean animals that were NOT to be eaten.  It had nothing to do with the fact that a bat is or is not a bird.  It flew and it fit in with winged creatures not to be eaten.  

Okay, you now want to talk about Lev 11?

Again, did you read it in context?  Read v20-23 at least.  Insects that crawl like quadrupeds were banned, except those with long jumping legs of the locust family.  Nothing strange here.

here's another I picked from your list.  This is from Peter who was well acknowledged and respected.  This is what he said EXACTLY starting in v3.

"Knowing this first that there shall come in the last days scoffers walking after their own lusts. And saying, "where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." For this they WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water and in the water." 

This escapes their notice willingly. In context Peter begins his attack on those who doubt the truth of Chris'ts return by referring to the dependability of God's word in demonstrated in Creation.   Remember right from the beginning it said the world was created by the word of God. He spoke the world into existence.   If you continued you'd see the mention of true globabl warming in our future.

When it comes down to it, science is also a religion.  Questioning the powers that be is the heresy.  The inquisition results in the execution of reputation.

Ben Stein is right, those who are secure in their knowledge don't fear challenges.  So why do the powers that be in science fear any challenges to their paradigms?

I can understand science ignoring my opinion of things, I'm not qualified to challenge much of what science claims.  But if you want to see an example of "eating their own", just watch what happens when one scientist dares stand up to the powers that be in science.

You know, Zoo, I don't normally disagree with you, but you're going a bit far, here. I'll say that evolution and creation can mesh, sure, but back off of the Bible. Yes, it is fallible. Yes, it has been copied and rewritten by flawed people more times than we can count. But if you want to Bible bash with KFC, at least use the actual Bible, quote the real text, and use the SAME VERSION.


I'm done now. Have a lovely day.

ok, let's go with this zoo.  Do you ALWAYS talk in figurative language?  Hmmmm?  I'm going to assume no.  Am I correct? It's about context right?  It's the same with God Zoo.   YOu have to look at context.  Job had alot of figurative language in his writing.  His book (if you notice) is put with Psalms and Proverbs.  They are poetic books.  There are five books in the bible called poetic and Job is one of them.  So like I say....when it makes sense, seek no other sense.  

Other books of the bible are history (12).  Some others are prophetical.  Some are letters....just like you may write a letter.  So you have to figure out first what you're reading.  Some CAN'T be taken literally because it was meant as poetry.  Look at Song of Solomon (a romatic love story) and  see it's filled with metaphors. 

I'm sure.  Because if any was meant to be taken literally you'd be in trouble right?  So it's much easier and safer to fluff it off as just symbolic.   I'm not going to help you with that Zoo.