Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2007
You mean that majority of 30,000 in San Francisco that protested the war yesterday. The last time I heard there were 800,000 living in that city. Of course that was 20 years ago. During the 1989 earth quake.
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“Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2007
The past 7 years have proven you WRONG.

TAXES HAVE GONE DOWN!

SPENDING HAS GONE UP!




No it hasn't.” You are NUTS. Bush cut taxes 3 times and spending under BUSH HAS INCREASED FASTER THEN UNDER any other president! He has spent almost $4 Trillion more then we taxed.

“You were talking about the democrats not raising taxes. The democrats live to raise taxes. And spending is always going up even if you do away with pork. The democrats think all of these entitlement programs have to go up 8% every year no matter what. so tell oh grand puppa of crap how long will the schip program stay at 20 billion a year. thats right one year.” The last tax increase was Bush 41 you IDIOT!

As usual you do not know what you are talking about.

First, Social Security benefits have only increased by the cost of living. In your 8 % ( I do not know how accurate that is) but if that includes the fact that MORE people are receiving benefits that is only keeping the promises that were made not any increase. The biggest actual entitle increase was the Prescription Drug Plan that became law ONLY because of Bush and the GOP in Congress. They increased that entitlement without coming up with the money to pay for it.

The budget is about $2.8 Trillion. Of that about $2 trillion are promises that have been made and as such can not be cut. For example, the almost $500 Billion in interest on the debt. If we stopped paying all that interest we would have a balanced budget. Problem is the U.S. has promised to pay that interest. The same is true of pensions for military and civilian workers who have retired. There is a PROMISE to pay those benefits. We have Social Security Medicare that are promises made and as such not open to cuts. That leaves about $800 Billion of what is termed " Discretionary Spending" Included in that is National Defense, FBI and Justice, Homeland Security, Medicaid, VA, Intelligence and the operations of the government itself such as Treasury, National Parks, Transportation, Health etc. The truth is there is a very limited amount that can actually be cut. Defense, Homeland Security, VA, Justice (FBI), Treasury, Intelligence make up the vast majority of the so called discretionary spending.

People who say just cut the budget have not looked at what makes up the budget. We can not stop Defense, homeland security and any of those departments. In fact spending on defense, Homeland security and VA will be increasing given the increased danger we are facing. The $2.0 Trillion of mandatory spending is not available to cut. That money has been promised. We need to face the problem of bringing our revenue equal to the spending—For Both the Promises we have made and for the essential discretionary items like defense, Border Security etc. I doubt we can cut more then about $50-$75 Billion from the Discretionary spending. Spending under mandatory spending will continue to increase because of the upcoming Baby Boomer retirement. The first Baby Boomer will begin receiving Social Security in February 2008!

Why wait? Cuba accepts immigrants, to my knowledge.

what tax cuts. the only thing i have heard is tax raises to pay for more spending. lets see universal health care(the new improved schip.). 5000 to every new born baby toward a college fund. a new home for everyone who doesn't have one. i believe Hillary also wants to give 1000 to every new born baby for retirement.


and how do you pay for any of this why you raise taxes.

Once again gene, who should we believe?  Actual business owners who the taxes really affect, or you, who has no clue about what goes on in real world economics.

 

Raising taxes on the rich will not fund all the socialist programs that democrats are already proposing.

What programs are those?  Are you saying that we should create more wasteful government programs because you think people supposedly want them? 

 

 

 

Ok, I will agree with that gene, but tell me what the democrats plan for this is.  You keep obsessing with Bush and the GOP, what are democrats going to do about it?




Where do you get this "most" thing from?  And you are still using numbers that do not reflect the reality.  Do you want socialized healthcare?  Do you want the government to take care of every need gene?  If Americans want government paid healthcare then raise taxes on everyone who will receive it

I mean seriously.  All you do is whine and complain about how the government doesn't help someone with everything. 


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You have been shown several times how raising taxes is not the answer to everything.  Why you think the government will spend additional money wisely is beyond me.  You just want an excuse to tax successful people.

I notice you are still avoiding these posts:  https://forums.joeuser.com/?forumid=3&aid=166247

This is insane. I skipped most of the replies cause I just couldn't get passed Cols idea that just because someone has more money that they should somehow give up more. I thought we believed in equality in this country, remember the phrase "all men are created equal"? I don't think it's fair that we should benefit by having money taken from those who work hard for it. I don't need money from the Gov't, I just need a break. I need lower prices, better roads, better education for my children, more security. I don't want money given to me, I like working for my money, it makes me feel like I earned it.

I don't know where Col gets this crazy idea that the salvation of this country is to give free money to everyone who seems to need it. All that does is gives the incentive that you do not have to survive by your own accord, those with more money than you will support you.

Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007

The Vast majority want us to defend our country including the border.


Ok, I will agree with that gene, but tell me what the democrats plan for this is. You keep obsessing with Bush and the GOP, what are democrats going to do about it?


They have passed the fence construction and added some money for added border guards. What they plan to do in the future is unknown. What I would like to understand is WHY Bush and the GOP controlled Congress have not enforced the EXISTING laws and stopped illegal’s from coming into this country? They do not need any NEW laws just enforce the existing laws. 3 million illegal’s have come into the U.S. since Bush took office! WHY?

“Thus without ADDED TAX Revenue, we have NO hope to balance the budget much less begin repaying over $9 Trillion on the National Debt!!!!!!!


You have been shown several times how raising taxes is not the answer to everything. Why you think the government will spend additional money wisely is beyond me. You just want an excuse to tax successful people.”


NO you have done nothing of the kind. I have shown you that plan of cutting taxes on the wealthy and the SUPPLY SIDE argument did not work for Reagan or Bush 43. Both times we tried that we added TRILLIONS to the debt. The Comptroller General has also documented that the Bush tax cuts has only returned 50% of the lost tax revenue. In addition MOST economists agree it is DEMAND not Supply that is most responsible for economic growth. The deficits and the increasing interest we must pay on the debt is far more harmful to the economy then a small tax increase on the top 10%.

It's not my problem gene that you ignore posts that counter your ridiculous points.  Real business owners have shown you how tax increases will harm business, and you do nothing but IGNORE what they say.




If it's so important, than everyone should face a tax increase.  Raising taxes on successful Americans and business owners will do more harm to American workers.

Why don't you go live in a socialist country?

Lies.

Hillary plans on moving income tax on the rich up to 52%. Hillary plans on increasing social security tax. Hillary plans on increasing Medicaid tax. heck Hillary plans on raising all fed. taxes. so that is about 60%. then they have to pay property tax, state tax if any, city tax if any.

that is why i said up to 90% depending on where you live. it may be higher and it may be lower.

You are so out of touch with the real world, Gene. Nothing but a pandering, socialist fool.

Now, don't go all caps on me - you've called me worse.