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boss0190
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Reply #26 March 29, 2007 12:45:11 PM
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We'll never know because I would never upload others' material for the sake of garnering 'download' counts. Which just seems the case when you upload Art from other sites.

Or . . they are presenting art that they think the community here might like and the other artist doesn't want to spend teh time.
Then there will always be the question of 'is the permission' real ?
How many times has it turned out that there was no permission at all. People lie.

I have taken the time to check on occasion when I have seen Artwork posted here that I knew I already had..and it turned out that the original artist didn't even know their work was here.
That kind of this is very appreciated here, you know that.

Stealing, ripping, and the like have never been tolerated here People like yourself being involved and interested in the copy rights of the artists is a great check and balance for the less honest among us.

I, for one, appreciate your efforts and encourage you to continue them.  Thanks Fairyy~ 
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Reply #27 March 29, 2007 12:45:17 PM
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There is no difference between what is being discussed and someone porting a msstyle to windowblind except a few more clicks.


Do you recall a certain person that ported a billion MS style blinds and did nothing to them then referred to them as " My windowblind" ? Tell me that didn't annoy you after spending 3 weeks skinning a blind.......and would you really want to see that again ?

Why are you a green dot ?
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Reply #28 March 29, 2007 12:47:35 PM
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except a few more clicks.


you been clicking on Athena NT?   
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Reply #29 March 29, 2007 12:56:03 PM
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I, for one, appreciate your efforts and encourage you to continue them. Thanks Fairyy~


and I will continue to report rips. Its not something I can just overlook..I know how much work some put into their work and its just not right for someone to claim it as their own.


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Reply #30 March 29, 2007 1:16:53 PM
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I'm sorry folks for creating this mess with the " Wall " i posted
it was never my intention for a fight to break out over it .
Just a simple wall with permission attached that I thought all would
like. With 650 downloads in one day i guessed right !


Thats is ironic isnt it ?

All my replies were based on Boss's original post and had nothing to do with 'the wall' because the wall and author are not mentioned and I never even got to see it...

Bummer Dude....

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Reply #31 March 29, 2007 1:25:35 PM
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Azdude, no one pointed the finger at you specifically, but since you volunteered yourself...

The wall in question was first posted as a *Vista logon, correct?..

Usually, when permission is gained from the artist to use their work for "whatever" "project" a link directing downloaders to the original piece is given in the decription The reason being is that the original author not only gains due "notoriety" but also people may find other works at that authors site that may wish to either purchase or download as well..

You did not break any rules "persay".. the issue is really more about how you went about it, Proper or No? It may be "legal" but you wont be the most popular person with many of the skinners here that work hard on what they "contribute" to the community... But thats what you will have to deal with.

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Reply #32 March 29, 2007 1:33:38 PM
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A good tip when you are obtaining permission to post someone else's work is to make sure the person giving permission is the original artist
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Reply #33 March 29, 2007 1:40:43 PM
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A good tip when you are obtaining permission to post someone else's work is to make sure the person giving permission is the original artist



*Very Excellent point!...

I have seen so many people "Hosting" other peoples work on their site with the simple rule stated "If you use this "Note me" and link to my page"
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Reply #34 March 29, 2007 2:14:18 PM
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Azdude,
Without question, the wall you posted is an extremely nice photo. Had it not been for you posting it I may never have seen it. I think your intentions were honorable and you meant no ill will.
I made a comment concerning a different "small issue" I had with it, but that is an entirely different topic (which is addressed in another thread here) altogether.

NightTrain,
There is a HUGE difference between posting someone elses wall, with no modifications vs a windowblinds port. You above all should know that. Yeah, If I just "click, port, and upload" then I would agree with you. Ask Pas or Brewman if they port like that. They will laugh at you . A properly done port takes time.

Fuzzy,
Ask Jafo for the email I sent to him last night.  

Zubaz and anyone else involved in the rule call...
I for one, think that if this is going to be ok to do with wallpapers that at least a link to the original source be included in the permission file or description. It might help with the honesty factor, and the original artist may appreciate the added exposure to thier work elsewhere.

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Reply #35 March 29, 2007 2:56:14 PM
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Rick you know more than an other my feels about this.
I think all author at time he take the work of an other author for any works same or other with or without changing need to have the permission AND credit the original author too it's the less thing he can make. This is called respect. I'm not a angel and i've made mistake like many people.

Azdude just don't think it's you the problem here for him i think (maybe i'm wrong) the mater for boss is take a wall/shot of another to make wall here. I know you want just share it to us. But to original question is good i think and port on general not in particular issue. now i agree with you that mods/admins here make their staff and a good in more. like i have said before in another place before publish my work in an other place like DA i always wait the decision of them.


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Reply #36 March 29, 2007 4:46:17 PM
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what other site talks about it's family ??


Skinartistry
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Reply #37 March 29, 2007 4:52:13 PM
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I want to be able to come here and find good wallpapers. Period.

As long as the person has permission or the wallpaper was designed to be widely distributed and it's good then I want it here.

Why should I have to comb dozens of sites to find good wallpapers?

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Reply #38 March 29, 2007 5:11:47 PM
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I want to be able to come here and find good wallpapers. Period.

As long as the person has permission or the wallpaper was designed to be widely distributed and it's good then I want it here.

Why should I have to comb dozens of sites to find good wallpapers?


This is Exactly the point i have been trying to make
Thanks and Thank You !.. Frogboy ..
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Reply #39 March 29, 2007 5:17:19 PM
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what other site talks about it's family ??


Skinartistry


sorry Skinhit that is true , and very Nice they are ... difference is this family
needs a Stadium to seat all for dinner ..
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Reply #40 March 29, 2007 6:39:27 PM
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I got a mind blower of a Dream just submitted
today of course i think it's good , waiting to
to see now if it makes it through the Mods
and to the main site - Dancing " O " Rings -
Hope you like and this one is a AZDUDE - original !!!!
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Reply #41 March 29, 2007 6:40:48 PM
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and Boss it's ashame you felt that way of me
'cause I think your work is some of the best on this site !!
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Reply #42 March 29, 2007 6:41:55 PM
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As long as the person has permission or the wallpaper was designed to be widely distributed and it's good then I want it here.


The High Frog has spoken. And so it shall be.

Sorry for the trouble, AzDude.
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Reply #43 March 29, 2007 6:47:09 PM
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Is there a reason that every forum post turns into a fight?

No one can post anything here without things going overboard.

Makes me just want to pack up and go away..
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Reply #44 March 29, 2007 7:13:12 PM
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I want to be able to come here and find good wallpapers. Period.

As long as the person has permission or the wallpaper was designed to be widely distributed and it's good then I want it here.

Why should I have to comb dozens of sites to find good wallpapers?



And there ya go, end of story...LoL

Side note, Azdude, no one was trying to implicate you publically or point the finger at you personally... Nobody would have ever known it was "that" wall that started the discussion except for a select few... It really was nothing personal and I hope that you do continue on your "creative" path...

Dreams...make more *Dreams* ..LoL
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Reply #45 March 29, 2007 7:45:30 PM
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The Mods gota have a tuff job sorting thru all this stuff - and some of it has
to fall in the " Gray area " i'm sure making for tuff decisions to be made,
but they are the Mods and that's their job - and ALL decisions then should
be FINAL !!! the END -they except or rejct based on ALL the info the have gathered
We are not privy to that info - to be the Judges

Yes, it is often 'tuff', but when it comes to works being uploaded to a site the onus is directly upon the uploader to seek/obtain appropriate permissions for whatever it is he wishes to borrow/use/upload.  This is often cause for much angst and drama as it is NOT uncommon for the permission obtained to be fundamentally flawed.  One common issue is with specifics.....eg. - "yes, you can use my wall as a logon"....but the uploader made a winamp skin out of it.

Sometimes [rarely] permission is obtained from what the uploader believes to be the author.....only to subsequently find out he may NOT be, but is simply another person who 'saw the wall' and decided to share it [without consent].

I explained the sense and sensibilities of this thread topic way back in #5  [look up].

Frogboy clarified the 'why' of it all....[more good wallpapers].

Both of us, [and others] simply stressed the point "with permission".

If and/or when  an upload bounces to and fro from public access it's an indicator that an 'issue' has come to light....which is eventually resolved one way or another...

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