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Pro-Choice or Pro-Abortion?

Do you really support the right of women to choose what to do with their own bodies?

April 4, 2004 2:08:19 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

When one speaks of abortion, the common argument from pro-choicers is that since the fetus is inside a woman's body, only she should decide whether or not she wants to keep it. After all, it would be wrong for us to tell a woman what to do with her own body. However, are pro-choicers really pro-choice or just pro-abortion? Find out if you're really pro-choice or willing to take away a woman's choice with this fancy quiz I designed!

Pro-Choice or Pro-Abortion?
Simply decide whether or not you agree with the following statements.

1. Women should have the right to have abortions if they so desire.
2. Women should have the right to have their brother's or father's child.
3. Women should have the right to genetically engineer the fetus inside them to their liking.
4. Women should have the right to take as many drugs as they desire while they are pregnant.
5. Women should have the right to stab the area in which the womb resides while they are pregnant. IGNORE THIS STATEMENT
6. Women should have the right to have an abortion performed by a shady unlicensed abortionist.
7. Women should have the right to drive an ice pick through the head of a fetus from her body.

Wasn't that easy? If you agreed with every statement, then congratulations! You do honestly believe that women should have sole control over their bodies, and for that, you earn my respect. However, if you disagreed with any statement, then you are a hypocrite that would happily steal a woman's right over her own body to promote your own agenda.
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Reply #1 April 4, 2004 2:27:58 PM
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Pro-choice or pro-abortion is this a play on worlds or a mistake?
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Reply #2 April 4, 2004 2:54:59 PM
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I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

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Reply #3 April 4, 2004 3:58:06 PM
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1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes
6. yes

7. All people should have a right to Government staying the fuck out of their lives? yes
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Reply #4 April 4, 2004 7:39:13 PM
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psychx: Well, it's one thing to support women's right to have an abortion, but for people to say that they are for women's choice and not to support women's choice no matter how insane it might seem, or how much it might be playing God, that's not pro-choice at all. What I'm saying is that women should be able to do with their bodies whatever they desire, even clone themselves or their fetus, do whatever they want with an aborted fetus, etc.
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Reply #5 April 4, 2004 11:42:27 PM
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The thing is, the choice that "pro-choice" people support is the ability to choose about having an abortion.

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Reply #6 April 5, 2004 12:03:23 AM
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So when they say that the government has no right telling women what to do with their own body, they're only talking about abortion, meaning it might be all right for the government to tell women what to do with their own body otherwise?
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Reply #7 April 5, 2004 12:06:50 AM
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The interesting thing, stabbing oneself is considered Suicide, which is against the law because the state has the responsibility to protect it's citizens, if even from themselves.

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Reply #8 April 5, 2004 12:08:42 AM
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But, and this is to forestall the next question, the state has determined that a fetus before a certain stage of development is not a person, therefore it's simply a surgical procedure, like removing an appendix.

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Reply #9 April 5, 2004 12:13:15 AM
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Even if it's not meant to kill oneself though? Just self-mutilating?
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Reply #10 April 5, 2004 12:24:33 AM
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Isn't the proper terminology: "pro-choice" and "anti-choice"?
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Reply #11 April 5, 2004 3:01:02 AM
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And who is to say whether it is just "self-mutilation"? Stabbing oneself in the stomach, is not like getting a tatoo. If you stab yourself in the stomach you will bleed to death unless you get medical attention.

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Reply #12 April 5, 2004 8:18:14 AM
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It's quite simple really. The first choice that needs to be made is: "Do I want this fetus to grow into a person". Pro-choice means giving women the right to make that decision.
The other questions you ask deal with: "If I chose that this fetus will become a baby, do I have the right to do things that will harm its' future well-being?" A very different matter altogether. I think one of the basics of our society is that we are all free do do as we please, as long as we don't harm someone elses interests. If a woman choses to have a baby, she is bound to take the wellbeing of that baby into consideration.

So in other words, your initial post is garbage.
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Reply #13 April 5, 2004 8:46:27 AM
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Abortion is murder plain and simple. A recent article that was widely reported last week had one doctor who was complaining that the Unborn Victims of Violence Act could be used against abortion rights. He gave evidence including this statement:

"Carhart said at least once a month, an entire fetus is expelled from the mother during a D&E he is performing. "The fetuses are alive at the time of delivery," he said. There is a heartbeat "very frequently." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115874,00.html

I find it pathetic that so many have embraced our throw away society to the point that someone else must die because of a mistake they made.
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Reply #14 April 5, 2004 9:06:22 AM
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"But, and this is to forestall the next question, the state has determined that a fetus before a certain stage of development is not a person, therefore it's simply a surgical procedure, like removing an appendix.

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However, the passage of Laci and Connor's Law changes that across the nation.....which will, no doubt, open a whole OTHER can of worms.
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Reply #15 April 5, 2004 10:42:51 AM
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No, it doesn't change it across the nation. A fetus is still not a person, the law simply states it is a more heinous crime to harm a pregnant woman.

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Reply #16 April 5, 2004 11:01:16 AM
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You clearly do not understand the what the Act says. Otherwise why would abortion doctors flock to capital hill to raise their fears?
The act, in and of itself changes nothing. What was interesting and sad was what was said during the hearing.
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Reply #17 April 5, 2004 11:11:30 AM
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I understand what it says, I understand how that works under the courts current interpretation of the constitution, and I know how eager beaver DAs can twist it.

That doesn't change what I said.

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Reply #18 April 5, 2004 1:28:04 PM
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No, it doesn't change it across the nation. A fetus is still not a person, the law simply states it is a more heinous crime to harm a pregnant woman.

Funny, but the YUnborn Victims of Violence act defines an unborn CHILD as follows:
"d) As used in this section, the term 'unborn child' means a child in utero, and the term 'child in utero' or 'child, who is in utero' means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

If it is a CHILD, it is therefore a PERSON at any and all stages of development. The act also allows for those who murder a pregnant woman to be charged with two counts of murder, one for each PERSON they killed.
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Reply #19 April 5, 2004 1:35:41 PM
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I just have a few comments to add

Isn't the proper terminology: "pro-choice" and "anti-choice"?


Isn't it pro-choice and pro-life? That's why I initially asked when I posted first. Thanks for clearing it up superbaby it's a good post.

Didn't Bush pass a fetus protection act?

I find it pathetic that so many have embraced our throw away society to the point that someone else must die because of a mistake they made.


What about rape and incest? Should we turn a cold shoulder to those situations and just pretend they don't happen? Don't we live in a free democratic country? You find it pathetic so I take it you have dealt directly with abortion in your life. I thought only God could judge people but yet you judge why is that?
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Reply #20 April 5, 2004 2:04:08 PM
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Now, hold on, some pro-choicers are pro-life, they just feel a woman has the right to choose

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Reply #21 April 5, 2004 2:09:28 PM
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Right that's how I feel. I think they should have the choice but I wish it wasn't that way. I am not arguing that, I was actually wondering what the "politically correct term" for it was.
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Reply #22 April 5, 2004 2:31:13 PM
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I believe abortion should be a state issue. I'm pro-choice politically, but I am morally strongly against abortion.
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Reply #23 April 5, 2004 2:48:48 PM
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Here is my take on it. First off, If a pregnant women is killed, the killer is charged with two deaths. Why is it that if only one is killed, no one is charged? Next off, if you don't want to have kids, then don't have sex, it is as simple as that. Or don't have sex during ovulation. Next off, in rape or incest, that is a very hard question. A woman could have the baby and give it up for adoption, which would be the greatest act of kindness ever, and that child would surely thank you for letting it live. Any comments?
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Reply #24 April 5, 2004 2:50:14 PM
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Don't you see anything wrong with that jul?
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Reply #25 April 5, 2004 3:02:01 PM
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Yes, but it just makes things better for the rich people who will get them anyway and the poor people will get them too, but they will use dangerous ways to get them aborted.
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