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Quoting Aroddo, reply 340
As foreign observers we have a different perspective of the things that happen in america. And the health reform opposition clearly looks like the exploiters of the current system are doing everything they can to prevent something we take for granted.
Well, if you admit that your perspective is clouded, how can you claim to see this so-called opposition "cleary?"
Well, first of all I didn't admit that my/our perspective is clouded nor did I intend to sound that way. We, of course, think that we see the issue more clearly. There's a german saying (not sure how the english counterpart goes): "You don't see the forest because the trees are in the way."
Your struggle simply looks different from the outside and we see implications you don't. This is by no means meant to sound arrogant - it's a simple fact. I, for example, had to have pointed out to me that our school system is - even though quite efficient - basically discriminating. And before getting told that (by an american, btw.) I never wasted a though on that matter.
I find it amusing foreigners speak as if American healthcare is somehow lacking. ...
Our system is not perfect, but considering the talent of our physicians, our wealth of technology, and diversity of care options, I see no reason for foreigners to pity us. I would expect the opposite, really. Perhaps there is some lingering envy for American healthcare, particularly in how we often attract talented physicians from other nations.
That statement sounds to foreigners like a typical display of american arrogance - and I'm not sure anymore if you even meant it like that.
No one doubts that your medical knowhow is top notch - but your system is too focused on profit making to be considered more than average as a system. We simply don't think that private "death panels" should have the power to condemn anyone to death by denying coverage.
I got the impression that we can agree to that, at least. And I concede that you don't need a public option to improve your system. But you definetly need better laws and regulations.
Frogboy, since you have access to IPs and whatnot (I recall you commenting on the number of Germans complaining about Demigod), should we assume that many of the supporters of HR 3200 on these forums are, in fact, not American? I would not be surprised. The great irony is, of course, that foreigners become extremely agitated when Americans tell them what to do.
That is not irony. No country likes to be approached with an "if you're not with us, you're against us", "america first" attitude. Your last president managed single-handedly to get billions of people world wide to hate him, and by extension america.
Well, in order to understand the appropriate way to manage American healthcare, one must understand America. I suppose that this complexity explains the arguments made by many foreign posters.
Possibly. In exchange you should consider how strange some of the american comments sound. Especially when making statements about our health care systems that simply are not true, even if cable TV says so.