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Island Dog
Excalpius
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Reply #251 October 29, 2008 12:50:41 PM
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At least you've shown your membership card in the coming Thugocracy. You would've made a perfect Brown Shirt.

Keep spinning those meaningless spin phrases.  They are a shortcut to thinking, after all.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an intellectual, factual rebuttal from you in regards to, well, anything anyone has said here.  Honestly! 

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Island Dog
Excalpius
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Reply #252 October 29, 2008 12:53:26 PM
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I just don't know why you guys keep wanting expensive things like Iraq war and not pay for it.

Shhhh...see it's been working so well for them the past decade, right?! 

Thanks for cutting to the chase.  That is indeed the point.

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kenwas
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Reply #253 October 29, 2008 12:57:45 PM
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Trickle down doesn't work because greed causes the theory to collapse

I agree with your sentiment NT but feel you are combining different things.  Triggle down was always based on the requirement for smaller government and fiscal responsibility which never happened under the Bush admin. Art Lauffer who created Triggle Down theory under Regan would cringe at the republicans under Bush growing the government "like they were democrats"

Greed is with us always, and it knows no party affiiation and created wacko behavior in many areas, not just wall street.

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kenwas
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Reply #254 October 29, 2008 12:59:05 PM
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removed double post...sorry

 

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BONEHEADdb
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Reply #255 October 29, 2008 1:02:36 PM
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How are we supposed to pay for country debt and Iraq war without any tax increase? Midas touch?

Like this: Pull out of Iraq, turn it over to the government in place and tell them to get their shit under control or we will be back with the Air Force, not ground troops. Then take a fraction of that money and close the Mexican boarder.

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kenwas
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Reply #256 October 29, 2008 1:11:25 PM
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I just don't know why you guys keep wanting expensive things like Iraq war and not pay for it.

No one wants war in Iraq.  Just disagreements of the bset way to end it.  But to your point, there is a legimate debate about the best way to increase government revenues.  I am not aware of any tax increases that have accomplished that.   There has to be a strong discipline to reduce government spending first or any revenues simply get eaten up.  Give a politician a dollar and he will figure out a way to spend it.

Decreasing taxes, especially small business as they are the true growth engine will help growth and employment and create a stronger economy for a us all.  It is then up to Washington to have some self control and use the money to reduce the deficet and properly fund social security etc.

For me, the issue is not whether the very rich pay 1 or 4 % more but iti is the business that need the break to be competitive in the global economy where every other country has much lower business taxes.  It is a distraction to focus only on some hedge fund that made billions.

As for the rich, who ever that may be this week, it is nonsense to believe that taxing them and reducing taxes for everyone else to the point of giving tax credits to non payers will make up the difference needed for finacial sanity in this country.

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Island Dog
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Reply #257 October 29, 2008 1:17:22 PM
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Excuse me?! You honestly think the vast majority of the American public (you know, the ones voting for Obama next week) is "lazy" and "scrounging off the government"?!

Yes, I think a great majority of Americans have an entitlement attitude.  I talk to HR managers all the time who tell me they have a hard time finding people because the people they hire don't want to work 40, but want to get paid more.

 

Guess what.  The vast majority of my hard-working, quite intelligent, tax paying, educated colleagues, peers, and employees are voting for Obama too.

And I'm sure most of them know nothing about 0bama, his past, or his voting record.  They surely can't list his accomplishments, even his own staff can't.

 

I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that America is a "welfare state" society, but compared to the rest of the free world, we're downright stingy when it comes to taking care of our own.

It's not the responsiblity of the federal government to "take care" of our lives.  Entitlements have done more harm than anything. 

 

No we MUST have tax increase. Not tax cuts or keep current system.

Then increase taxes on everyone, and start taxing the poor.

Anyways, tax increases are not a must.  Look at all the waste that comes from the federal government, and then tell me they will spend the extra money wisely.  Goodness.

 

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DrJBHL
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Reply #258 October 29, 2008 1:30:52 PM
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Greed is with us always, and it knows no party affiiation and created wacko behavior in many areas, not just wall street.

We  agree yet again!

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kenwas
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Reply #259 October 29, 2008 1:32:28 PM
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Then take a fraction of that money and close the Mexican boarder.

 

Oops! there goes are third largest oil import source!  Right behind Canada, #1 and Saudi Arabia#2. VENEZUELA is #4 and wouldn't Chavez just love some more leverage!

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DrJBHL
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Reply #260 October 29, 2008 1:35:15 PM
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Pull out of Iraq, turn it over to the government in place and tell them to get their shit under control or we will be back with the Air Force, not ground troops. Then take a fraction of that money and close the Mexican boarder.

Tell that to the Iranians. Maliki has a snow ball's chance in hell with them around.

As for the Mexican border? LOL....and a President who can't even build a fence? Or the Corporations which instructed him not to do so?

It wasn't a question of money Drilln' Boss. It was Elections and Power....and more unemployed Americans.

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BONEHEADdb
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Reply #261 October 29, 2008 1:35:34 PM
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It's not the responsiblity of the federal government to "take care" of our lives. Entitlements have done more harm than anything.

Very true.

Liberals are insecure whiners that need someone to take care of them. The libs will not be happy till everyone makes the same wage, no mater what their job is(or is not).

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Reply #262 October 29, 2008 1:50:14 PM
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As for the Mexican border? LOL....and a President who can't even build a fence? Or the Corporations which instructed him not to do so?

Let me make this clear. I am a conservative but I think Bush is a total jerk. I don't consider McCain a conservative. I just can't tote the party line. Since third partys are discouraged in this county, I must vote for McCain because Obama is bad news.

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Lantec
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Reply #263 October 29, 2008 2:45:49 PM
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Since everyones avoiding responding....anyone want to address this...from a page 4 post in this thread......Excalpius?

 

An interesting email. Something to think about.



Pull out of Iraq ?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?





Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;

221 killed in Iraq .

Chicago.... Who Runs it:

Senators: Barack Obama & [censored] Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.



Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other!



Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!



State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

2nd highest taxed state in the U.S.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

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Island Dog
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Reply #264 October 29, 2008 2:49:15 PM
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The libs will not be happy till everyone makes the same wage, no mater what their job is(or is not).

Well marxism is all about a classless society.  It's OK to be poor and miserable, as long as everyone else is too!

 

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Dr Guy
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Reply #265 October 29, 2008 2:54:47 PM
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NOT make it a lie.....

Obfuscation then.

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Dr Guy
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Reply #266 October 29, 2008 3:04:04 PM
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it's pretty safe to say that the vast overwhelming majority of these Wall Street scumbags vote Republican year after year, because it is in their own selfish interest to do so, of course.

In fact it is NOT safe to say. Stereotypic thinking is not safe, nor is it fair. The greed wasn't limited to ppeople because of race, religion, politics, hair color or any other "splitter" criterion. It is a trait of ALL people throughout recorded (and probably prerecorded) history.

Indeed!  Franklin Raines, Bloomberg, Paul Krugman - I know Bllomberg voted republican once in his life.  For himself before he flip flopped again. 

While I blame the Republican controlled congress and White House for the deregulation that allowed the current Credit Default Swap gambling on Wall Street fiasco to occur, I wouldn't argue that "greed" is uniquely one party or the other's mantra.

Blame them all you want.  It does not make it true, just blinds you to the truth of the matter and almost guarantees it will happen again.  Denial of the truth is no defense.

The country is all about redistribution of wealth in one form or another.

No, it is about growing the pie, not slicing a fixed pie into ever smaller pieces until we all starve.

 

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Daiwa
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Reply #267 October 29, 2008 3:05:52 PM
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Keep spinning those meaningless spin phrases. They are a shortcut to thinking, after all.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for an intellectual, factual rebuttal from you in regards to, well, anything anyone has said here. Honestly!

Save your snot-nosed schoolyard bravado.  Honestly!

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Dr Guy
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Reply #268 October 29, 2008 3:28:06 PM
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Actually, no, and it's $250,000.

That depends - is Biden a loose cannon or an idiot.  Your choice, but the answer will determine if you are right or wrong. But you are wrong anyway.  Obama has already lowered himself to $200k.

We are. We're voting for him, after all. Or have you not been paying attention to the polls?

So to a liberal, "Voluntary" means you force everyone to do what you will not do?

Because they do it by moving operations off shore.

ALL of them do?  And of course you have empirical data to support your statement?

Which is exactly the opposite of waht Obama intends to do.

When confronted with these facts, Obama changed his stance and then stated it was about "Fairness" not job creation or growing the economy.

in 4 years we will all be fair - and poor.

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Dr Guy
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Reply #269 October 29, 2008 3:41:18 PM
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Excuse me?! You honestly think the vast majority of the American public (you know, the ones voting for Obama next week) 

Vast Majority?  What is a "Vast Majority"?  50%+1?

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BONEHEADdb
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Reply #270 October 29, 2008 3:52:58 PM
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anyone want to address this.

That's sad. The whole damn country could end up like that.

Any of you libs going to address this?

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CharlesCS
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Reply #271 October 29, 2008 4:43:23 PM
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Do I have a right to own a gun? Do I have a right to have health care? Do I have a right to own a home? Do I have a right to expect others to pay for my protection from terrorists? Do I have a right to have an abortion?

Very interesting questions and I could answer them this easily:

Yes you have the right to own a gun, yes you have the right to have healthcare, yes you have the right to own a home, no you do not have the right to expect others to pay for protection or any of the other questions before this one. The last one, well, that was is not that simple.

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CharlesCS
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Reply #272 October 29, 2008 4:45:20 PM
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hile I blame the Republican controlled congress and White House for the deregulation that allowed the current Credit Default Swap gambling on Wall Street fiasco to occur,

Just to keep things fair, all this started witha Democrat bill and the real bad stuff happened under a Democratic controlled house and senate.

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Reply #273 October 29, 2008 4:56:47 PM
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I'd like to see the country change that. Thinking for the long term financial and social health of our nation and its people is the only way we'll stay the world's sole superpower, financially, and by direct result, militarily.

I agree, this is definitely something that needs to cghange. Bare in mind that I agree with Conservative views but I don't agree with people taking advantage of things and screwing the rest of the world in the process (See Fun with Dick and Jane for an example of a guy screwing everyone else). It's my personal believe that people in this country could achieve better lifestyles thru Condervative policies but it is the greedy bastards out there who mess everything up for everyone else. And when the lower people get screwed they run to mommy (gov't) to save and protect them and this is why Obama is winning. But scared people never think straight and this is why I say Obama will win not because hes the better candidate but because people are scared and scared people are usually ignorant people.

I believe in this country enough to sacrifice a little of whatever I make (and we're talking a penny or two on the dollar, folks) to see her continue to lead the world for centuries to come.

I believe in this country too, what I don't believe in is that when we are at the worst that we should drop the whole weight on the back of a few just because they can afford it. Biden claims its patriotic to pay higher taxes, so how can anyone who agree's with his accept a tax redution while letting a smaller group of people pick up the tab? Where is the fairness? 2 wrongs don't make a right no matter how you slice it. This country has the potential to be better again is we all just owned up to our responsibilities and stop the Gov't from treating us like programable robots, taking advantage of fear and ignorance to win elections for personal gain, and I am talking about both of the main parties and the 2 candidates for them.

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kenwas
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Reply #274 October 29, 2008 5:09:05 PM
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Yes you have the right to own a gun, yes you have the right to have healthcare, yes you have the right to own a home, no you do not have the right to expect others to pay for protection or any of the other questions before this one. The last one, well, that was is not that simple.

I fear we are lost in symantecs.  If healthcare is a "right", then where is it?  Do you therefore believe that anyone without health insurance is being denied their civil rights? My issue was a the confusion of "rights" and an unfortunate sense of entitlement that seems to grow every election cycle.

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Reply #275 October 29, 2008 5:24:47 PM
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Quoting Lantec,
reply 13
Since everyones avoiding responding....anyone want to address this...from a page 4 post in this thread......Excalpius?

 


An interesting email. Something to think about.



Pull out of Iraq ?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?





Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;

221 killed in Iraq .

Chicago.... Who Runs it:

Senators: Barack Obama & [censored] Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.



Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they're all blaming each other!



Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!



State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

2nd highest taxed state in the U.S.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us?

2007 Murder rates by state (murders per 100k people ) for the states represented by the candidates

Alaska 6.4  (Palin)

Arizona 7.4 (McCain)

Illinois 5.9 (Obama)

Delaware 4.4 (Biden)

From

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-1996-2007

 Oh and why do only AMERICAN lives count in Iraq? Got numbers of Iraqi deaths? Civilians? And it's not like we spent a trillion dollars invading Chicago

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