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Reply #51 January 31, 2006 7:13:45 PM
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Eh, huh? Don't for a moment sit there, especially on this subject, and put the "federalist" label on me, davad. Alito was trying to prevent trumped up federal imposition there.

YOU are the one that says the federal government should come up with trumped up "commerce" charges to put someone in jail for breaking a gun law in the STATE'S jurisdiction. YOU are the one saying that the Supreme Court should prevent states from making their own mind up about abortion.

If your beloved, black-robed federal bully turns on you and starts imposing things YOU don't like, don't blame us. That's a practice that the Left has been refining for the last 40 years. I won't excuse it if the federal government imposes upon you. I'll gladly call it a wrong. I'll also laugh my ass off at you.
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Reply #52 January 31, 2006 7:32:44 PM
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I guess reading and interpreting the law as written is "activism" to the left.
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Reply #53 January 31, 2006 7:45:48 PM
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Well, at least we can all agree that by the same token, not all conservatives are pro-war. Rather we believe that it is the Executive (charged with the grave responsibility of national defense by the Constitution) "who must under trying circumstance[s] make the weighty decision" to go to war.

So there's that cleared up, then.
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Reply #54 January 31, 2006 10:31:17 PM
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YOU are the one that says the federal government should come up with trumped up "commerce" charges to put someone in jail for breaking a gun law in the STATE'S jurisdiction.


That was not my point, nor is it what I said. I made pretty clear what my point was. You want congress to make the laws and in this case they did, and it was not Alito's place to attempt to ignore that law.

YOU are the one saying that the Supreme Court should prevent states from making their own mind up about abortion.


Really? I didn't even bring the issue of abortion up in my post, so I'm not even going to respond to that one.
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Reply #55 January 31, 2006 11:02:14 PM
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Nice dodge, but you are the one tossing the word Federalist around. In reality, I differed with the FEDERAL law in question because it ate into state's rights. I differ with Roe v. Wade because it acts as some sort of imperial mandate, also taking the right of the states to decide for themselves.

Dodge if you like, but you a) supported the federal government's imposition in terms of the gun law, and support the Supreme Courts imposition of made-up rights, so calling me a "Federalist" is kind of wacky.

I think Alito is right about the Rybar case. I don't think the Federal government has ANY right to regulate private ownership of an item that isn't a matter of interstate traffic or commerce. inch by inch they make all state matters federal until finally state's rights are meaningless.
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Reply #56 February 1, 2006 7:15:05 PM
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Back to you, davad:

People don't usually wear shirts that affirm their belief in something that is common sense or "the norm". If they're going to wear a shirt that has any political theme to it, it's more often than not, going to be anti-establishment.
---davad

Granted, but abortion is such a hotly-debated topic that a show of support from that side would seem indicated, especially with the big, bad Alito howling at the door.

We have several anti-bush/cheney shirts...I think around 5 or 6 maybe, and they all sell fairly well, especially "Meet The Fuckers", which features a picture of Bush & Cheney.
---davad

Now...+LOL+ this ties into something I said on another thread.
Why do people on the left so often seem to think they have to be rude or obscene to show disrespect? There's no call at all for such a phrase to even be printed on a shirt. I've seen pictures from anti-Bush rallies with pictures of penises with Karl Rove's picture on the head; the caption? "Roving Cock".
They think it's cute or something, I guess. It isn't. It just shows the lefties to be over-the-top with their hate and frustration.




Abortion IS the establishment, that's why I don't think you see that on shirts.
---davad

But I DO see that on shirts. I mean, I'm not making this up out of think air. I saw a girl with one not too long ago at Wal-Mart, in fact.

What store do you work for? Hot Topic, perhaps?
If so, I can see why you have such "anti-establishment" wares. Everything they have has to be "shocking and rebellious". It's where the Goth weirdos shop. The "body-art" crowd.
I went in there once, looking for a Punisher t-shirt or hat. They had some cool t's, but my credit isn't good enough to get a loan for that high a price. The hats were 25 bucks, but they weren't embroidered. They wanted that much for a simple silkscreen!

If you did throw in some anti-abortion t's, just for kicks and giggles, I think they might sell better than you'd think they would. But then, maybe the people you sell to aren't that big on the morality and values thing.
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Reply #57 February 1, 2006 7:23:28 PM
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I mean, I'm not making this up out of think air. I saw a girl with one not too long ago at Wal-Mart, in fact.


I used to have Pro-Life checks.
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Reply #58 February 1, 2006 7:31:24 PM
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I used to have Pro-Life checks.
---Tex W.

Hey! Are you followin' me? So you approved of V-Day's itinerary?

"Pro-life checks"---would that be anything like Wheat Chex or Rice Chex?
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Reply #59 February 1, 2006 7:35:40 PM
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Hey! Are you followin' me? So you approved of V-Day's itinerary?


You noticed?

Hehe.

"Pro-life checks"---would that be anything like Wheat Chex or Rice Chex?


Yup. Available for sale at your friendly Republican supermarket.
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Reply #60 February 1, 2006 7:56:43 PM
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but you excuse it when it's one of your own that does it. I guess it's ok in this case, as it supports a federalist agenda.


Like, when? Bad move. Again you rail with no justification. Tsk, tsk.
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Reply #61 February 1, 2006 7:58:13 PM
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Really? I didn't even bring the issue of abortion up in my post, so I'm not even going to respond to that one.


You just did.
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Reply #62 February 1, 2006 9:42:34 PM
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Really? I didn't even bring the issue of abortion up in my post, so I'm not even going to respond to that one.


You just did.


You're a little late to the party doc....the post I was referring to was the one about alito. I was addressing bakerstreet anyways, he hardly needs cheerleaders.
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Reply #63 February 1, 2006 9:45:56 PM
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Now...+LOL+ this ties into something I said on another thread.
Why do people on the left so often seem to think they have to be rude or obscene to show disrespect? There's no call at all for such a phrase to even be printed on a shirt. I've seen pictures from anti-Bush rallies with pictures of penises with Karl Rove's picture on the head; the caption? "Roving Cock".
They think it's cute or something, I guess. It isn't. It just shows the lefties to be over-the-top with their hate and frustration.


The thing you're not getting is that these shirts aren't about ideology. The people we buy them from could be republicans for all I know...it's just about making money. And there were equally rude ones around when Clinton was in office. Shocking and disrespectful shirts are not the exclusive domain of liberals.
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Reply #64 February 1, 2006 9:49:51 PM
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Shocking and disrespectful shirts are not the exclusive domain of liberals.


Nope, but they are the exclusive domain of cool people.

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Reply #65 February 1, 2006 9:52:34 PM
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Abortion IS the establishment, that's why I don't think you see that on shirts.
---davad

But I DO see that on shirts. I mean, I'm not making this up out of think air. I saw a girl with one not too long ago at Wal-Mart, in fact.


I was talking about pro-choice shirts, not pro-life ones. You don't see choice ones because it's the standard...the established law.

If you did throw in some anti-abortion t's, just for kicks and giggles, I think they might sell better than you'd think they would. But then, maybe the people you sell to aren't that big on the morality and values thing.


I don't know if they're into the morality and values thing or not, they're customers. I'm not there to monitor morality, I'm there to help them, give them a few laughs, and provide them items that make life fun. Whether they they use those things in a moral way is not my concern. Our company's mission statment is "Life's a Party, We're Makin It Fun".
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Reply #66 February 1, 2006 9:54:09 PM
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I'm pro abortion, but only for the people who are pro abortion. If they want to be pro choice or pro abortion, then I hope they go through with it. The last thing we need is more people like them. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Reply #67 February 2, 2006 2:12:38 AM
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But think about this. What if Roe V Wade was over turned. Abortion would not be illegal except in 15 states. But what would the arguement then turn to? What would the left's position be, versus the anti-abortion right?
Move to the blue states. Or stay in the red and fight like hell to overturn their law to deny the oersonal property of a woman's body.
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Reply #68 February 2, 2006 2:18:25 AM
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How is it one has the inviolate right to bear arms is somehow translated to a woman must bear children?
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Reply #69 February 2, 2006 2:29:09 AM
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How is it that you think pregnancy is somehow mandatory? Are you really espousing abortion as work-a-day birth control?

You keep referring to this as an issue of women being some sort of baby machine. So far, after 13 years of fairly regular sex, my wife and I have only one child and so far we are abortion free. According to you, without constant trips to the obgyn for a scrubbing out of fetal tissue, we'd be up to our arse in kids.

How is it that you are translating the right to abortion as the right to not bear children? I know at least two couples that are have been married a lot longer than I and who have no kids at all. Do they have weekly abortions, or is there some other method of birth control?
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Reply #70 February 2, 2006 7:28:33 PM
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If there were no options for preventing conception, I might be more of a mind to accept abortion. That is not the case obviously.

One way of preventing conception, and thereby abortion, is to stop and think with your brain before you let hormones take over and do your thinking for you.
Use a condom or IUD; take the pill. Both. Whatever. If you don't....THAT's your "choice".

Just don't take your moment of wild, lust-filled irresponsibility out on an innocent life because it's existence is somehow inconvenient and troublesome, and call it "choice".
What it's really called is "injustice", which is something the Left has spent deacdes railing against. Or, at least, giving lip service to railing against.
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Reply #71 February 2, 2006 8:31:15 PM
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You're a little late to the party doc....the post I was referring to was the one about alito. I was addressing bakerstreet anyways, he hardly needs cheerleaders.


So if one is late, they cannot speak the truth? Interesting. Glad I am not a democrat.
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Reply #72 February 2, 2006 8:34:57 PM
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Move to the blue states. Or stay in the red and fight like hell to overturn their law to deny the oersonal property of a woman's body.


Wrong! Then the arguement would be for true choice, not only one choice (abortion)! The democrats are arguing the wrong issue, and the reason they are is because Roe V Wade is not about legalizing it. It is about self determination.

It was not illegal before, it will not be illegal afterwards. But it will truly be a choice.
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Reply #73 February 2, 2006 9:04:04 PM
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So if one is late, they cannot speak the truth? Interesting. Glad I am not a democrat.


Your definition of truth based on your past actions is suspect, but even so...that's not the post I was referring to. Why are you glad you're not a democrat? Oh, I know...it's so that you can support the republicans/conservatives when it's convenient for you, but then pretend like you're an impartial independant when that's convenient for you.
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Reply #74 February 19, 2006 1:57:20 AM
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Do they have weekly abortions, or is there some other method of birth control?
You should know there are other methods that you doubtless resort to.

But it will truly be a choice.
Agreed.
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Reply #75 February 19, 2006 3:41:43 AM
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" You should know there are other methods that you doubtless resort to."


Of course I know. You are the one posing this that either women are allowed to have abortions, or they are enslaved baby machines. You said it yourself, in black and white, in the comment that I was responding to:

" How is it one has the inviolate right to bear arms is somehow translated to a woman must bear children?"


That's disingenuous and you know it. It implies that women that don't have abortions "must bear children." Your argument isn't served by fallacy. Beyond that, you imply in other posts that once they bear children, the women are forced to raise them when they aren't able. That, too, is a fallacy.

So, at this point, your whole argument is a fallacy. You are simply relying on a made-up right, and then trying to prop it up with points that aren't valid.
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