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December 16, 2005 2:50:50 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

Mr. Murtha is back at it again.  He supports the troops, but now says they cant do it.  Do what?

"We've got nation building by the U.S. military, and that's not a mission for the U.S. military," Murtha said. "I've said this over and over again: They're not good at nation building. You've given them a mission which they cannot carry out. They do the best they can, but they can't do it."

Uh, Mr. Murtha, do you remember WWII?  Germany? Japan?  Kind of little nations that must no longer exist due to the failure of America and its troops at Nation Building after a war? 

I really think he is getting senile.  And it is a shame that Pelosi keeps using him like this.  But as we saw with Cindy Sheehan, the democrat leadership has no ethics when it comes to using and discarding people for their own non-purpose.

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Reply #1 December 16, 2005 3:21:29 PM
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What's that smell? Oh, partisan politics.
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Reply #2 December 16, 2005 3:43:49 PM
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What's that smell? Oh, partisan politics.

I thought it was rubber burning.

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Reply #3 December 16, 2005 4:09:40 PM
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You omitted one important difference: nation building after WWII was reconstruction and troops simply sentineled the process without having to cope with destructive insurgencies. I was in Japan and thankfully the Japanese knew they were unalterably defeated and seldom resisted. Indeed, our marine regiment would have been at a loss if we had to police every nook and canny in Yokosuka.
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Reply #4 December 16, 2005 5:49:29 PM
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The only thing Murtha cares about anymore is making sure there's a D after the name of the next president.
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Reply #5 December 16, 2005 10:32:39 PM
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I was in Japan and thankfully the Japanese knew they were unalterably defeated and seldom resisted.

The Germans did not.

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Reply #6 December 16, 2005 10:34:43 PM
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The only thing Murtha cares about anymore is making sure there's a D after the name of the next president.

No, that is his handlers.

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Reply #7 December 17, 2005 12:06:05 AM
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The Germans did not.


But no way as intense as Iraq. The problem in Germany was conflicts mainly political of three superpowers trying to occupy the city.
The only thing Murtha cares about anymore is making sure there's a D after the name of the next president.


No, as an old marine myself I empathize with his position; he's frustrated over the failure in reinforcing the US forces to the job right.
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Reply #8 December 17, 2005 12:50:38 AM
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Stevandedalus, after all the successes in Iraq, only a partisan hack would look at it as a failure. In three years there has been more progress and success in Iraq than in a decade of U.S. involvement in Europe during and following WWII.

I'm not saying it has gone flawlessly, because that would make me as partisan as Murtha. I think the bacteria migrating to Iraq to engage our troops did take Bush and the military leaders by surprise. However, as long as Murtha and others are willing to insult every troop and officer involved in Iraq (as well as the people of Iraq), I see no reason to treat the jerk with any respect whatsoever.

"Once a Marine, Always a Marine"... I guess Murtha has put that aside for "Anybody Baa-ut Bush" bleats.
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Reply #9 December 17, 2005 2:12:19 AM
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nation building after WWII was reconstruction and troops simply sentineled the process without having to cope with destructive insurgencies.
---stevend

Don't forget, though, that the Japs had the voice of their revered god-emperor, Hirohito, telling them to surrender and give up all resistance.

There was leftover resistance from the Nazi faithful, some quite violent, and for quite a while afterward.
In fact, much of what is being heard today about Iraq was heard from 1945-probably to 1950 or so.
Maybe the election and the massive turnout it generated will shut up the naysayers and doomcriers for a time, at least. But I doubt it. They'll find some way to spin it the opposite direction.

They do forget, don't they, Doc?
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Reply #10 December 18, 2005 12:05:36 PM
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But no way as intense as Iraq. The problem in Germany was conflicts mainly political of three superpowers trying to occupy the city.

Germany was not a city, and the only reason anyone says not as intense is because the press did not play it up as much.

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Reply #11 December 18, 2005 12:07:21 PM
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In three years there has been more progress and success in Iraq than in a decade of U.S. involvement in Europe during and following WWII.

Another difference often overlooked, is that altho Germany was a dictatorship in 1945, it knew about democracy, albeit fleetingly.  Iraq never did.

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Reply #12 December 18, 2005 12:08:56 PM
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They do forget, don't they, Doc?

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history.  Murtha is making that mistake.  He wants a post Kaiser Iraq, not a post Hitler one.

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