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Saddam could have had exile, but NO! What the ?!?!

Did Saddam accept exile offer before invasion?

October 29, 2005 8:59:40 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Another article from the folks at AP, found via MSNBC, but on a topic that I have long wondered about: just how stupid was Saddam Hussein, and for that matters his friends, neighbors and allies, for not finding a way to take up exile somewhere else where he could have lived out the remainder of his years with the loot from his years in power in Iraq.

Apparently that very thing came close to happening, but fell apart when some of Saddam's neighbors decided they couldn't go through with the plan. Which leaves me scratching my head and going What the --insert curse word of choice here--?!

We (the U.S.A.) and our allies spend billions, shed blood of thousands of our own, watched over 2000 of our own die, and are continuing to see a country in some turmoil because the U.A.E. and others couldn't find some way to help Saddam exit that would work for themselves and their own "league of nations" type organization?!

Am I wrong in thinking this is utter nonsense and that with friends like these (both for the U.S. and for Saddam) who needs enemies?! What did these idiots think would happen if we invaded - did they really think that things would be better for them than if they coaxed Saddam to leave freely? Did they really not realize that by getting him to leave the country they could have had their own choice of government in power in Iraq without worrying about seeing a U.S. style representative Democracy take hold that doesn't cede power over to the Sunni's (who are a minority in Iraq)?

Argh, middle eastern politics will never cease to amaze me, but if the facts of the story snippet below are correct, then anyone and everyone that is blaming George W. Bush, the neocons, the war hawks, etc., for what happened in Iraq should be turning their fickle fingers of blame towards the U.A.E., the Arab League, France and a host of others that all should have been working much harder towards implementing the apparently peaceful transition plans that were being discussed, rather than trying to keep the U.S. from getting a vote in the U.N. that would make absolutely certain to legitimize the war.


Headline is linked. Please see original article for complete story. Information below is just a snippet of original article.




Did Saddam accept exile offer before invasion?

Arab leaders scuttled deal aimed at avoiding war, UAE officials say

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - Saddam Hussein accepted an 11th-hour offer to flee into exile weeks ahead of the U.S.-led 2003 invasion, but Arab League officials scuttled the proposal, officials in this Gulf state claimed.
The exile initiative was spearheaded by the late president of the United Arab Emirates, Sheik Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, at an emergency Arab summit held in Egypt in February 2003, Sheik Zayed’s son said in an interview aired by Al-Arabiya TV during a documentary. The U.S.-led coalition invaded on March 19 that year.
A top government official confirmed the offer on Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Saddam allegedly accepted the offer to try to halt the invasion and bring elections to Iraq within six months, according to the official and Sheik Zayed’s son.
“We had the final acceptance of the various parties ... the main players in the world and the concerned person, Saddam Hussein,” the son, Sheik Mohammed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, said during the program aired Thursday to mark the first anniversary of his father’s death.

{snip}

The anonymous Emirates official said Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa did not bring the proposal to the summit’s discussion because Arab foreign ministers had not presented and accepted it as league protocol dictated.
At the time, Arab League leaders said the summit decided not to take up the idea, citing league rules barring interference in members’ domestic affairs.

Unknown whether Saddam accepted deal
It was not immediately possible to verify the Emirates claims that their offer had been accepted by Saddam, who is being held in U.S. military custody in Iraq and his facing trial on charges of crimes against humanity.
Officials from the Egypt-based 22-member Arab League declined to comment.
But at the 2003 summit, the Iraqi delegation rejected the Emirates proposal, while Iraq’s former U.N. ambassador, Mohammed Al-Douri, said Saddam was not going anywhere.

... more at linked article please see original article for complete story.

Again, there's more detail in the original article, so please see the entire article. Also feel free to comment on your thoughts on this news (late though it seems to be).
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terpfan1980
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Reply #1 October 29, 2005 9:14:05 PM
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coulda shoulda did not. boasted, hide, crawled inna hole. prison, and soon death, yay!

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Reply #2 October 29, 2005 9:40:21 PM
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Thanks for the spell check-age there M.M., good catch (fingers were typing too quickly to let brain catch up on the spelling there heheheh)
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Reply #3 October 29, 2005 9:41:47 PM
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Reply By: terpfan1980Posted: Saturday, October 29, 2005Thanks for the spell check-age there M.M., good catch (fingers were typing too quickly to let brain catch up on the spelling there heheheh)


I am the last one ever to correct someone terp, as you know it pisses me off to see spelling police. but the headline just screamed at me and I figured YOU would want it brought to your attention.


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Reply #4 October 29, 2005 10:01:16 PM
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"moderateman" what the hell did Saddam ever PERSONALLY do to you or any member
of your family? Why do you care so much what happens to him?

As far as I am concerned he was a man with balls.
I remember before the war when he issued a challenge to our President to settle
the score mano-a-mano ... in a neutral country of our choosing. Considering he
had a few years more on Bush ... I thought he would have taken him up but alas
he didnt. Guess they dont make Texas National Guardmen like they used to.

In any case all that b.s about getting him in a hole was just that B.S.

Its already been proven that it (like most other things we hear and see about
this war from embedded reporters) was propanganda.

He was PUT in the hole and pulled out days later to humble and humiliate him.

Did you see his performance before the farce of a court we setup?

Even with all the drugs we pump into him ... he rains a powerful presense.

A lion is always a lion! nuff said
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Reply #5 October 30, 2005 12:46:34 AM
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omg, rombios again shows how deranged the average US hater can be. Hurry, Rombios, hide, the CIA's coming to getcha again...
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Reply #6 October 30, 2005 1:15:28 AM
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As far as I am concerned he was a man with balls.


Hey rombios take your concern and stick it in your butt plumbers box along with all the rest of your anti-american BS and hit the road you ignorant clown.

I'm sorry but I can't find it in me to be "nice" to this poser!
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Reply #7 October 30, 2005 10:25:31 AM
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>omg, rombios again shows how deranged the average US hater can be. Hurry,
>Rombios, hide, the CIA's coming to getcha again...

Sorry dude, I REFUSE to the "conditioned" by the powers-that-be (government
media complex) to hate someone just because "we" have to.

Saddam has not done anything to me or any member of my family. Hell hes done
NOTHING to any member of the American family.

I neither hate nor love him.

But I admire him ...

I mean comeon, on the eve of the invasion .. with his ragtag army hobbled by
12 years of sanctions ... and given the choice to leave the country in 48 hours
the dude said:

"fuck off ... I was born here, Ill die here"
"bring your shit"

Much respect!!!
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Reply #8 October 30, 2005 10:36:49 AM
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Watch the langauge in your replies here please. You can definitely convey the same thoughts without the graphic language.
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Reply #9 October 30, 2005 10:57:08 AM
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I thought the US refused Saddam's offer to go into exile? Perhaps that was a different offer or I was confused by the abundance of funny hats, both American and otherwise.
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Reply #10 October 30, 2005 11:00:02 AM
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I thought the US refused Saddam's offer to go into exile? Perhaps that was a different offer or I was confused by the abundance of funny hats, both American and otherwise.
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Reply #11 October 30, 2005 11:13:54 AM
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Speaking of propaganda, I wonder about this report. The timing is a bit suspicious. The media are frantically carpet-bombing us with unproven assumptions of perfidy by the administration, accepting and trumpeting them as fact, in the unrelenting effort to help get their friends back in power in the 2006 election cycle. A little dose of "Not only did we get tricked into this war by Bush's lies, Saddam had agreed to surrender before the first air strike!" to dump on Bush can't hurt their efforts. I wonder how reliable this source is, not to mention how gullible the press is these days for anything that might make Bush look bad, truth be damned.

I'm rather sick of the media's bias which is just getting worse & worse with time. AP might as well declare itself the official propaganda arm of the left. Very few news organizations just report - most routinely throw in left-friendly but unfounded assumptions about motive, cause & effect as if they were fact. There is as much or more news "creation" as there is reporting and so much journalistic narcissism now that it's all become "white noise". Bah.

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Reply #12 October 30, 2005 3:59:20 PM
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Its already been proven that it (like most other things we hear and see about
this war from embedded reporters) was propanganda.

No, it has not been proven.  Like to try?

And I think the refutation of this spoof is the fact he is still calling himself the president.  the MSM is the dense ones here.  As in severly retarded if they expect any but the sycophantic loony left to buy this.

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Reply #13 November 2, 2005 7:05:18 PM
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>No, it has not been proven. Like to try?

Whats the point?
Youll JUST go back and erase anything I write that you dont like.

No, Dr Guy ... I wont play that game ... at least not on YOUR terms
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Reply #14 November 2, 2005 7:14:23 PM
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Whats the point?
Youll JUST go back and erase anything I write that you dont like.

No, Dr Guy ... I wont play that game ... at least not on YOUR terms

Nope!  You are a moron aren't you?  you cant sign up for a free service, and you cant read the rules of the road!  So you are not playing on MY terms idiot.  This is not my blog.  You are playing on someone's terms and as you are a moron, you cant understand that!

Let me splain to you lucy!

I cant erase you! And even if I could, I would not!

you are proof that there is life after stupidity!

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Reply #15 November 3, 2005 8:14:58 AM
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you are proof that there is life after stupidity!


That's a good one-liner! Where's that one from?
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