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Court Orders Kazaa to Thwart Pirates

September 6, 2005 5:40:05 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

Check it out:

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/dUNaTcQOlRCgGJ/Court-Orders-Kazaa-to-Thwart-Pirates.xhtml

"... this decision reflects a growing, international chorus: those who promote theft can be held accountable no matter how they may attempt to escape responsibility."

Thanks to my friends at Skinning.net for pointing this article out.

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Reply #1 September 6, 2005 7:37:34 PM
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It seems the music industry has added to it's impact on illegal activity.

I think it only fair that the legal ramifications of providing a platform for illegal activity should also include a reality check for those who provide such platforms.

The arguements for providing something like Kazaa, and saying "we can't control what others do with it" has always seemed weak to me.
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Reply #2 September 6, 2005 10:38:44 PM
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There are 2 sides to all technology. Some of it can be used productivly and some can be used for negative purposes. I can understand the RIAA and the movie industry wanting to stop illegal aquisition of theyre products. The problem, I believe we run into here is, with this ruling, (IMOP)we can essentially now sue HP, Sony, Dell, and the major computer manufacturers for someone using a computer to do identity theft.
I think they have now come to this decision because up to this point they have not been succesful in stopping the illegal downloading. I feel this type of ruling damages the ability of people to create software/hardware because someone might decide to find a way to illegally use it, and then they can be held accountable. I do not agree with this ruling, and I feel this damages all of our rights.
Thanks for letting me rant
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Reply #3 September 6, 2005 11:51:48 PM
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Okay, this is a complicated matter. First off, you cannot order a service provider to combat piracy. It's just not logical. Secondly, the court needs to get their brains checked. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. So the court is going to order the gun makers to stop making guns? Like sbnelson said above, there are two sides to the usage of a technology.

If the RIAA or the MPAA has any intelligence what-so-ever, they should learn to 1) stop making crappy music/movie, and 2) stop hogging all the goddamn profits. Haven't bought a damn CD in years. Why? Because there isn't anything interesting nowadays. Movies? The last legit DVD movie I bought was... Spider-Man 2? WTF??? And I already gave a good chunk of my dough to get the Matrix Trilogy boxset!

Stop piracy? I'd like to see them try to stop a waterfall. Inevitable. You don't combat what cannot be stopped. You don't tweak old (and standard) technologies to fit your needs. You make products that're both cheap and high quality and that'll reduce piracy. You cannot stop a waterfall from falling. But you can slowly control how much water do flow/fall.
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Reply #4 September 7, 2005 12:09:54 AM
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You cannot stop a waterfall from falling.

Actually you can.  That's really a poor analogy....

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Reply #5 September 7, 2005 7:38:48 AM
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The problem, I believe we run into here is, with this ruling, (IMOP)we can essentially now sue HP, Sony, Dell, and the major computer manufacturers for someone using a computer to do identity theft.


Computer manufacturers make the machines; they don't set up servers or create and distribute the software that allows identity theft or illegal file sharing.
You cannot be hold accountable for the actions of others, but you CAN be hold accountable for providing and promoting ways for illegal activities.
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Reply #6 September 7, 2005 8:42:52 AM
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the following link offers some very interesting insights into the whole p2p issue...worth reading

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Reply #7 September 7, 2005 1:53:43 PM
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This decision shows just how out of touch the industry, the courts and the public in general are.
What is the main problem with this and other once thriving industies? Accountants and lawyers.
Imagine if Ford was run by these know it alls in Henry Ford's day. The Model T would never have made it to the showroom.
Every successful product came from imagination, vision and risk.
Imagine how different it would be if the internet existed when Berry Gordy Jr started up Tamla Mowtown. His vision would have embraced P2p. Thank God he never listened to the bean counting mentality of accountants and lawyers. If he had of we would never have heard of the likes of The Supremes, Stevie Wonder and a host of other true artists.
Here we have an industry that is still selling music on bits of plastic where technology offers far better means of distribution.
The record industry has NO ONE but themselves to blame for the predicament they are in.
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Reply #8 September 7, 2005 2:10:12 PM
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LMAO
This is just too funny.
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Reply #9 September 7, 2005 2:21:11 PM
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but you CAN be hold accountable for providing and promoting ways for illegal activities.


It is done everyday. If I go into a bar, have too much to drink, get in my car, run over a pedestrian and kill them, the bartender is legally responsible.
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Reply #10 September 7, 2005 2:23:10 PM
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kazaa is now one of the smallest fish in the sea. Piracy is now greater than the universe - It starts in the home of those with duties to enforce it and has no end to it. When one head dies, one hundred of them get born.

If you are as loyal as I am, I'm a big fan of the greatest - Michael Jackson. I would rather die of hunger and buy his masterpieces for he is the begging and the end of music and the dance - He is who he is.

Some people do made piracy their religion and will not cease. They will find what they need in the comfort of their home free of charge. 90% of young people these days do not believe they should be paying to listen to people music. They find paying for ring tones more acceptable.
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Reply #11 September 7, 2005 3:21:43 PM
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The problem, I believe we run into here is, with this ruling, (IMOP)we can essentially now sue HP, Sony, Dell, and the major computer manufacturers for someone using a computer to do identity theft.

If enough people whose Identity has been stolen can show what computers and software were used & first complain to the respected companies and authorities, then you have the start of a leg to stand on. If each company receives enough complaints to warrant action and do nothing, there's the other leg. Kazaa was notified and warned and did nothing.
So the court is going to order the gun makers to stop making guns?

That can happen and almost did quite a few years ago. A gun company featured on a 60 Min's show was fined and had so many days to take corrective action or be shut down. If the company knowingly sells the guns for illegal activities action can be taken quicker. The company in question was basically charged with negligence for lax security. The 60 Min's team just walked in through a gate and wandered around looking at weapons in boxes for a while until someone finally saw them.
You cannot stop a waterfall from falling.

Actually you can. That's really a poor analogy

I gotta start getting up earlier. Dam it.
Imagine how different it would be if the internet existed when Berry Gordy Jr started up Tamla Mowtown. His vision would have embraced P2p. Thank God he never listened to the bean counting mentality of accountants and lawyers. If he had of we would never have heard of the likes of The Supremes, Stevie Wonder and a host of other true artists.

I hear ya. Everyday I thank the God above that I can go into any record store and pick up my free Stevie album.
The record industry has NO ONE but themselves to blame for the predicament they are in.

I used to travel the path not well lit. Never ceased to amaze me that criminals always blame the victims.
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Reply #12 September 7, 2005 7:01:43 PM
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Never ceased to amaze me that criminals always blame the victims.

That's about it in a nutshell....

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