I know.  I used that to indicate that man thinks they are the only sentient beings.  Kind of egotistical in my opinion.

Oh, sorry for my mis-assumption.  I dont think of things on a planetary level when talking about evolution and stuff.  Perhaps it is just wishful thinking, but I always look to the possibility that we are truly not alone.

And a pretty good one for now.

So what planet are you living on? Because here, on Earth, which I think is pretty real, it's considered to be a hypothesis (ID that is).  Pointing me to the Intelligent Design Awareness Center website is like using the bible as proof to support a biblical claim.

How would you react if someone pointed you to the DNC website for proof that Bush is a "liar"?

Oohhh! It gets political!

for the record and so you know, ID is an hypothesis that fits the facts.  As the final fact is not known yet, it is a valid one.  It may not be true.  But 600 years ago, the truth was the earth was flat.

Why are we dismissing possibilities out of hand when the facts are not known?

But you don't even bother to specify which parts of ID you think "fits the facts".  The whole thing?  No way.  There's no reason whatsoever to believe that some higher being guided the evolutoin of say, fish flies.  It doesn't make any sense to believe that. Evolution through random mutation and local adaption not only has been observed, but fits the facts.

Moreover, the part that evolution isn't involved -- how life got started -- could be explained by all kinds of different philosophies and such statements as "fits the facts" is a nonissue.

And btw, 600 years ago they knew the world was round.  It was commonly known by scholars, even back in Greek times, that the world was round.  They had a pretty good measurement of the Earth's circumfrance back 2100 years ago (Posidonius for the record).  Just because some of you guys don't undestand how things came to be doesn't mean that magic or aliens or something else are the cause of it.  There are people, we call them scientists, who do know how this stuff works to a pretty good degree. 

To use your flat earth example, sure, the Dr Guy of the 14th century probably thought the earth was flat.  He probably was outraged to hear a that most scholars (probably devil worshippers) said the world was round and even had measured its circumfrance based on a theory.  I mean, who the heck do they think they are? Like they ever took a tape measure and measured the earth. How can they possibly, arrogantly argue that the world is round when one can look out and see it's flat and two, even if it's round, try to say they know how big round it is?

That is what we have today. The scientific community doesn't debate evolution today any more than the scientific community of the 14th century debated whether the world was flat or not. 

For the record (again), I am not calling for ID to be taught in Science.  I think Philosophy is the place for it.

For the record, I am not contending that cows did not descend from birds.  I have never stated that.

For the record, I am saying that perhaps (perhaps as in maybe as in purely speculative, but fitting the facts) that a higher intelligence did seed the early apes with a gene that created man with intelligence.  Or earlier.

For the record, I am not calling this a fact, just an hypothesis.  As the facts do not contradict the hypothesis, how can YOU dismiss it?  You may not believe it, but you cannot dismiss it. yet.

That may come in time.