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Sen. Durban (Il) opens mouth and shows his true colors..

Why don't we arrest people for treason anymore??

Now those of you that read my stuff know I do not like to post Op eds very often. But here is one I could not let go. You can not believe what this supposed Senator from Ill said on the Senate floor yesterday:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:3:./temp/~r1091nyhMx:e22835

Here is the text:

Unfortunately, the President rejected Secretary Powell's wise counsel, and instead accepted Alberto Gonzales' recommendation, issuing a memo setting aside the Geneva Conventions and concluding that we needed ``new thinking in the law of war.''

After the President decided to ignore Geneva Conventions (wish he would give examples I know of no proven violations), the administration unilaterally created a new detention policy. They claim the right to seize anyone, including even American citizens, anywhere in the world, including in the United States, and hold them until the end of the war on terrorism, whenever that may be.

For example, they have even argued in court they have the right to indefinitely detain an elderly lady from Switzerland who writes checks to what she thinks is a charity that helps orphans but actually is a front that finances terrorism.

They claim a person detained in the war on terrorism has no legal rights--no right to a lawyer, no right to see the evidence against them, no right to challenge their detention. In fact, the Government has claimed detainees have no right to challenge their detention, even if they claim they were being tortured or executed.

This violates the Geneva Conventions, which protect everyone captured during wartime.

The official commentary on the convention states:

Nobody in enemy hands can fall outside the law.

That is clear as it can be. But it was clearly rejected by the Bush administration when Alberto Gonzales as White House counsel recommended otherwise.

U.S. military lawyers called this detention system ``a legal black hole.'' The Red Cross concluded, ``U.S. authorities have placed the internees in Guantanamo beyond the law.''

Using their new detention policy, the administration has detained thousands of individuals in secret detention centers all around the world, some of them unknown to Members of Congress. While it is the most well-known, Guantanamo Bay is only one of them. Most have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq, but some people who never raised arms against us have been taken prisoner far from the battlefield. (Give me an example)

Who are the Guantanamo detainees? Back in 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld described them as ``the hardest of the hard core.'' However, the administration has since released many of them, and it has now become clear that Secretary Rumsfeld's assertion was not completely true.

Military sources, according to the media (now theres a source we should trust!), indicate that many detainees have no connection to al-Qaida or the Taliban and were sent to Guantanamo over the objections of intelligence personnel who recommended their release. One military officer said:

We're basically condemning these guys to a long-term imprisonment. If they weren't terrorists before, they certainly could be now.

Last year, in two landmark decisions, the Supreme Court rejected the administration's detention policy. The Court held that the detainees' claims that they were detained for over two years without charge and without access to counsel ``unquestionably describe custody in violation of the Constitution, or laws or treaties of the United States.''

The Court also held that an American citizen held as an enemy combatant must be told the basis for his detention and have a fair opportunity to challenge the Government's claims. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote for the majority:

A state of war is not a blank check for the President when it comes to the rights of the Nation's citizens (They are not citizens of the US!! ).

You would think that would be obvious, wouldn't you? But yet, this administration, in this war, has viewed it much differently.

I had hoped the Supreme Court decision would change the administration policy. Unfortunately, the administration has resisted complying with the Supreme Court's decision.

The administration acknowledges detainees can challenge their detention in court, but it still claims that once they get to court, they have no legal rights. In other words, the administration believes a detainee can get to the courthouse door but cannot come inside.

A Federal court has already held the administration has failed to comply with the Supreme Court's rulings. The court concluded that the detainees do have legal rights, and the administration's policies ``deprive the detainees of sufficient notice of the factual bases for their detention and deny them a fair opportunity to challenge their incarceration.''

The administration also established a new interrogation policy that allows cruel and inhuman interrogation techniques.

Remember what Secretary of State Colin Powell said? It is not a matter of following the law because we said we would, it is a matter of how our troops will be treated in the future. That is something often overlooked here. If we want standards of civilized conduct to be applied to Americans captured in a warlike situation, we have to extend the same manner and type of treatment to those whom we detain, our prisoners.

Secretary Rumsfeld approved numerous abusive interrogation tactics against prisoners in Guantanamo. The Red Cross concluded that the use of those methods was ``a form of torture.'' (Where is his proof of “abusive” tactics?? What does he call abusive? Loud music? God Forbid, keeping them awake? Ya that’s real torture, he should work my shifts.)

The United States, which each year issues a human rights report, holding the world accountable for outrageous conduct, is engaged in the same outrageous conduct when it comes to these prisoners.

Numerous FBI agents who observed interrogations at Guantanamo Bay complained to their supervisors. In one e-mail that has been made public, an FBI agent complained that interrogators were using ``torture techniques.'' (What were they? What do these people think of as touture? Maybe beheading? Maybe, physically beating? But loud music, sleep deprivation, putting a detainee close to a women? A dog? Get real! I have had worse physical abuse in big crowds of people at Disney in the first week of June!!!)

That phrase did not come from a reporter or politician. It came from an FBI agent describing what Americans were doing to these prisoners.

With no input from Congress, the administration set aside our treaty obligations and secretly created new rules for detention and interrogation. They claim the courts have no right to review these rules. But under our Constitution, it is Congress's job to make the laws, and the court's job to judge whether they are constitutional.

This administration wants all the power: legislator, executive, and judge. Our founding father were warned us about the dangers of the Executive Branch violating the separation of powers during wartime. James Madison wrote:

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

Other Presidents have overreached during times of war, claiming legislative powers, but the courts have reined them back in. During the Korean war, President Truman, faced with a steel strike, issued an Executive order to seize and operate the Nation's steel mills. The Supreme Court found that the seizure was an unconstitutional infringement on the Congress's lawmaking power. Justice Hugo Black, writing for the majority, said:

The Constitution is neither silent nor equivocal about who shall make the laws which the President is to execute ..... The Founders of this Nation entrusted the lawmaking power to the Congress alone in both good times and bad.

To win the war on terrorism, we must remain true to the principles upon which our country was founded. This Administration's detention and interrogation policies are placing our troops at risk and making it harder to combat terrorism.

Former Congressman Pete Peterson of Florida, a man I call a good friend and a man I served with in the House of Representatives, is a unique individual. He is one of the most cheerful people you would ever want to meet. You would never know, when you meet him, he was an Air Force pilot taken prisoner of war in Vietnam and spent 6 1/2 years in a Vietnamese prison. Here is what he said about this issue in a letter that he sent to me. Pete Peterson wrote:

From my 6 1/2 years of captivity in Vietnam, I know what life in a foreign prison is like. To a large degree, I credit the Geneva Conventions for my survival. ..... This is one reason the United States has led the world in upholding treaties governing the status and care of enemy prisoners: because these standards also protect us. ..... We need absolute clarity that America will continue to set the gold standard in the treatment of prisoners in wartime.

Abusive detention and interrogation policies make it much more difficult to win the support of people around the world, particularly those in the Muslim world. The war on terrorism is not a popularity contest, but anti-American sentiment breeds sympathy for anti-American terrorist organizations and makes it far easier for them to recruit young terrorists.

Polls show that Muslims have positive attitudes toward the American people and our values. (I would love to see these “polls” he says are out there. But I doubt that they show this) However, overall, favorable ratings toward the United States and its Government are very low. This is driven largely by the negative attitudes toward the policies of this administration.

Muslims respect our values, (They do??? Why do they then capture and torture us and kill us?? Hmmmm doesn’t fit the real world.) but we must convince them that our actions reflect these values. That's why the Ð9/11 Commission recommended:

We should offer an example of moral leadership in the world, committed to treat people humanely, abide by the rule of law, and be generous and caring to our neighbors.

What should we do? Imagine if the President had followed Colin Powell's advice and respected our treaty obligations. How would things have been different?

We still would have the ability to hold detainees and to interrogate them aggressively. Members of al-Qaida would not be prisoners of war. We would be able to do everything we need to do to keep our country safe. The difference is, we would not have damaged our reputation in the international community in the process.

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here--I almost hesitate to put them in the RECORD, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. ..... On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor. (I do not see any torture here. Where is the torture?? Was he beaten? Physically abused? Deprived of food? Given drugs to make him talk? No!)
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis , Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners. (Now this was the kicker. He compares our treatment to the Nazis? The gulags? And Pol Pot?????? What earth does he live on?? The Nazis gassed millions of people, The Gulags were famous for the physical torture (none of which we have done) and Pol Pot?? The killer of millions? We have not even come close and he compares our treatment to them?? That’s absurd!!! That’s a real good way to help our troops. Let the enemy hear you talk like that so they know you are behind them and helping them. Good God have we become so blind and complacent that we should treat these people with kid gloves? Sometimes the only thing some people understand is what they are used to themselves. Sometimes it takes fire to fight fire. )
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator's time has expired.

Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent for 3 additional minutes.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered. (This is because there was no one in the chamber, had there been any he should have been booted out on his arse.!!)
Mr. DURBIN. It is not too late. I hope we will learn from history. I hope we will change course. The President could declare the United States will apply the Geneva Conventions to the war on terrorism. He could declare, as he should, that the United States will not, under any circumstances, subject any detainee to torture, or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment. The administration could give all detainees a meaningful opportunity to challenge their detention before a neutral decisionmaker.

Such a change of course would dramatically improve our image and it would make us safer. I hope this administration will choose that course. If they do not, Congress must step in.

The issue debated in the press today misses the point. The issue is not about closing Guantanamo Bay. It is not a question of the address of these prisoners. It is a question of how we treat these prisoners. To close down Guantanamo and ship these prisoners off to undisclosed locations in other countries, beyond the reach of publicity, beyond the reach of any surveillance, is to give up on the most basic and fundamental commitment to justice and fairness, a commitment we made when we signed the Geneva Convention and said the United States accepts it as the law of the land,

a commitment which we have made over and over again when it comes to the issue of torture. To criticize the rest of the world for using torture and to turn a blind eye to what we are doing in this war is wrong, and it is not American.

During the Civil War, President Lincoln, one of our greatest Presidents, suspended habeas corpus, which gives prisoners the right to challenge their detention. The Supreme Court stood up to the President and said prisoners have the right to judicial review even during war.

Let me read what that Court said:

The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions could be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism.

Mr. President, those words still ring true today. The Constitution is a law for this administration, equally in war and in peace. If the Constitution could withstand the Civil War, when our Nation was literally divided against itself, surely it will withstand the war on terrorism.

I find it hard to believe that this is coming from a man who is supposed to be an American and a man who supposedly stands behind our people. I am saddened today, knowing that he is one of our law makers and able to talk of these things without being taken to Gitmo and given a room next to the people he so loves. No where does he mention the 12 former Gitmo residents that were released, and then re-captured on the battlefields in Iraq fighting against our troops. Hey but the Muslims respect our values.

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sadly, I agree, another so called leader of our country opens mouth, spews lies over his inserted foot, yet the media remains silent.

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Sen. Dick Turban has pretty much said that our troops are worse than those who ran Hitler's Jew killers.

To you Mr. Durban, I say, what makes you any different than hanoijane or any other American who works to help the enemy.

He should be tried for the treasonous compost pile he is. If found guilty, he should have the only thing a traitor deserves.... A short drop and a sudden stop!

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WHen the left leadership is spouting stupidity, why would anyone think the sheep would not be far behind?

What should be making news are the democrat leaders who speak and discuss the issues without getting diarhea of the brain.

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Island Dog

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It won't take long for him to use the usual liberal anti-American defense.

"Don't question my patriotism".

What's even more pathetic is his own party won't denounce him for this. Ever wonder why you people keep losing elections?

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In response to Sen. Durbans comments on the Senate floor on June 14th, I decided to write to my Senators here in Florida. Here is what I wrote them:

Sen. Nelson,

Sir, I respectfully would like to know if you plan on rebutting Sen. Durbans comments he made on June 14th on the Senate floor. And if you are not, would you please in the name of those of your supporters who think his actions were harmful.

I think it is absolutely beyond the scope of his position as Senator to make the defaming comments he did about our military and the treatment of people who are bent on killing Americans. Al-Jezzera has actually gone so far as to post his comments as being pro-insurgency. This is beyond my comprehension.

To equate our nation and its leaders with those of the Nazi’s, The Soviet Gulags and Pol Pot just goes beyond reason. Did he not think these comments would reach our men and women in uniform? How would you feel, a military person, if you heard your nations leaders talking this way about how you are doing your job?

Please take a stand. Please stand up for our men and women in uniform and condemn the outrageous behavior of Sen. Durban. Evil thrives – when good men do nothing..

Respectfully yours,

Ex-Army Veteran and Disabled Vet.

I sent this same thing to Sen. Martinez. I would hope all of you readers would send something along those lines. Time has come for “good people” to stand up and make their voices heard.

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Respectfully yours,

Ex-Army Veteran and Disabled Vet.

I sent this same thing to Sen. Martinez. I would hope all of you readers would send something along those lines. Time has come for “good people” to stand up and make their voices heard.

It is on the way! Thanks.

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