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I hate Cinco de Mayo, too!

May 5, 2005 12:10:08 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
As a follow-up to my article I hate St. Patrick's Day, I thought I'd be an equal opportunity hater and express my disdain for Cinco de Mayo as well. This is a dumb celebration cooked up by Chicano nationalists in America. And the same idiotic "We're all Irish on St. Patrick's Day" crowd looks forward to getting drunk and causing trouble. Gringoes galore. Even el Presidente Jorge Bush is a fan.

Where I grew up there was a substantial community of Americans of Mexican descent. They weren't recent immigrants. Some of them go back to the Texas Revolution. Almost all of their forefathers made their way north to Chicago sometime between 1900 and the beginning of WWII, which was the same time period my family came to the North from the South. Nobody in my neighborhood made more than a token note of the occasion. There were no festivals, no parties, no drunks, no problems. Where the hell did this holiday come from all of a sudden? All this over a victory in one battle over the French? It's not like the Mexicans even won that war!
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Reply #1 May 5, 2005 12:21:21 PM
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cinco de mayo is just a good reason to get stinko on cinco.
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Reply #2 May 5, 2005 12:49:46 PM
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It was against the French.  Of course the mexicans won it.  You cant have 2 losers!
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Reply #3 May 5, 2005 12:56:46 PM
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The Mexicans won the Battle of Puebla, which is what Cinco de Mayo is all about, but the French later sent in reinforcements. They then easily marched on to Mexico City and installed Maximillian. Mexico was under French occupation for a few years before America supplied the Mexicans with arms to overthrow Maximillian. We probably would have stepped in before the French conquered Mexico in 1864, but we had our own Civil War to worry about.
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Reply #4 May 5, 2005 1:10:49 PM
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The Mexicans won the Battle of Puebla, which is what Cinco de Mayo is all about, but the French later sent in reinforcements. They then easily marched on to Mexico City and installed Maximillian. Mexico was under French occupation for a few years before America supplied the Mexicans with arms to overthrow Maximillian. We probably would have stepped in before the French conquered Mexico in 1864, but we had our own Civil War to worry about.

I know.  The french won the battle (a year later) but lost the war.

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Reply #5 May 5, 2005 2:17:06 PM
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The Mexicans won the Battle of Puebla, which is what Cinco de Mayo is all about, but the French later sent in reinforcements. They then easily marched on to Mexico City and installed Maximillian. Mexico was under French occupation for a few years before America supplied the Mexicans with arms to overthrow Maximillian. We probably would have stepped in before the French conquered Mexico in 1864, but we had our own Civil War to worry about.


Sorry ED but the key word here is later. And just an FYI....winning a "battle" is NOT winning the war. They won their battle and choose to celebrate it. I look at it as the perfect opportunity for some really good Mexican food and a lot of alcohol.
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Reply #6 May 9, 2005 9:24:14 AM
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Sorry ED but the key word here is later. And just an FYI....winning a "battle" is NOT winning the war. They won their battle and choose to celebrate it. I look at it as the perfect opportunity for some really good Mexican food and a lot of alcohol.


DrMiler, when are reinforcements supposed to be sent? Before? I specifically said the Mexicans didn't win that war, not that one. The French captured Mexico City in 1864 and installed Maximillian as Emperor of Mexico. After the American Civil War eneded, the American government supplied Mexican rebels in their fight against Maximillian. He was toppled by the rebels in 1867, and then Benito Juarez was reelected.
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Reply #7 May 9, 2005 10:42:04 AM
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DrMiler, when are reinforcements supposed to be sent? Before? I specifically said the Mexicans didn't win that war, not that one. The French captured Mexico City in 1864 and installed Maximillian as Emperor of Mexico. After the American Civil War eneded, the American government supplied Mexican rebels in their fight against Maximillian. He was toppled by the rebels in 1867, and then Benito Juarez was reelected.

If you look at it as one war, and not 2, the French did not win, and thus their record is intact.  0 for everything!

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Reply #8 May 9, 2005 10:53:49 AM
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If you look at it as one war, and not 2, the French did not win, and thus their record is intact. 0 for everything!


True, but it's kind of hard to overlook the fact they installed an emperor of their choosing on Mexico. If I were a Mexican, I'd be hard pressed to spin that into anything but a loss. I guess you could base it on if there was a ceasing of major hostilities.
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