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Phoenixboi
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Reply #26 April 21, 2005 10:40:55 AM
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Dante wrote(and I concur), "the hottest places in hell are reserved for those, who in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."


I dont think the church was ever neutral. They have always condemened slavery. They just sometimes did not do anything about it.
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Reply #27 April 21, 2005 11:54:26 AM
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The church should not just do what is popular but they must have the priests to function. If the celibacy is preventing men from entering the priesthood and if the church refuses to ordaine women, how will it is a function in a growing world?
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Reply #28 April 21, 2005 12:12:14 PM
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The church should not just do what is popular but they must have the priests to function. If the celibacy is preventing men from entering the priesthood and if the church refuses to ordaine women, how will it is a function in a growing world?


What you say is all correct. And I truly beleive that in time, if they do not solve the priest issue, they will ordain women and allow married priest (in that order). But the Church is not going to be rushed into it. Even if a progressive was elected Pope, it would be years before the ordination of women would start.

I still see it happening. Just not as soon as many would like, myself included.
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Reply #29 April 21, 2005 12:21:48 PM
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EJ--it is not our job to judge sinners. Everyone sins, and no sin is any better or worse than any other--God calls me to love my brothers and sisters, and while I might not be perfect in doing this, I think the Church needs to set an example for its followers. I'm not talking about "hip and cool," I'm talking about more accurately following the Word of God.


And they can set this example without condoning homosexuality, condoning pre-marital sex, etc.! Love isn't about approving of everything people do. It's about loving them in spite of it.

What I find funny is that so many people who think that Europe shouldn't be telling the US what to do, think that they, as non-Catholics, get to tell the Church what to do. If Catholics want the church modernized, or even if they don't, I don't think that the non-Catholic opinion is going to play into the debate much.


And yet, here we have non-Catholics on both sides of the issues and Catholics on both sides of the issues, and let's be honest: the Catholic Church is not a political party. Unless it's truly corrupt, I'm sure it considers Truth to be more important than numbers.

Sins of omission are just as bad as sins of submission.


The Church, consisting of humans, isn't perfect, but condoning other sin just because it's politically correct will not correct that sin. Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Reply #30 April 21, 2005 12:28:02 PM
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If the church gave into political influence and popular opinion, I'd lose all respect for it...


Amen! Sure, the Church can "evolve," but it cannot ever forsakes Scripture to appease non-Catholics and Catholics who don't even agree whole-heartedly with the Bible. A Catholic Church with only 10,000 members that strives for Truth is better than a Catholic Church with billions of members that strives to be like the Church in Dogma.

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Reply #31 April 21, 2005 10:07:27 PM
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Well the now Pope .. once accused the American media of exaggerating the paedophilia reports in the church..
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