no one with 1/2 a brain would say our schools of higher learning are anything BUT LEFT leaning.

No wonder losers like Ward Churchhill

don't get me started............ I must chill, I must chill< I must chill.



frack it

STARVE A LIBERAL FOR A BETTER AMERICA.......... bwahahahaha I am mad , mad I tell yaaaaaaaaaaaa

I recently read an article in a newspaper (not on JU) about "Protect your children from liberals in College" and I had to laugh. I have a good way, don't go to college. At least not mine. And please, don't send your children to my class and have them refuse to read Shakespeare because there is sexual imagery or Blake because he says everything is holy, body, soul and mind and that you‘ll never get to Heaven as a Virgin. And stay the heck out of the English department. Please.

When you control education, when you tell a teacher what they can teach and how they must grade, you take away the educational experience. I am in a VERY liberal situation at my college. I attend one of the premier Honors Colleges in the nation and not a single professor could be called “Conservative” and only one is even slightly moderate. Norb, our founder, was a Lutheran preacher and left his call because he could not logically explain it. We read the Bible as a mythology, literature and pseudo-history. And yet, I have never been told that my faith is stupid, wrong or that I should try something else for a while. In fact, learning about how Christianity came about and other world religions has made me a better Christian. I ask questions that some people may not like, but I believe it strengthens my faith.

One purpose of college is to have a liberating experience. If that’s not what you want, try a private religious college. I hear those boys at OBU have very conservative experiences while riding the tiger naked and drunk.

not knowledge

What college are you going to? Maybe the students who try to get as little for their dollar are receiving little knowledge, but I know many who have learned wonderful things during their college experience, myself included.

If a professor has spent their entire professional life in academia, what on earth do they know of the world outside academia?

The value of a sunrise. The effects of global warming. How the government really works, and not what you hear on CNN. How to stretch a buck. How to feed a family on very little money a year. How spiritual a Gregorian Chant can actually be. How to fish. How to crochet. How to care for a garden. That though people are more connected through technology, they are seperating themselves into oblivion. I could go on, but why?

But then again, I've been lucky. I haven't had a gen ed yet where I didn't learn something valuable... even if it wasn't about the subject, every teacher teaches something if the student will only listen.

First you call it liberal trash that we should stop killing the world that sustains us and stop acting like parasites... and then say that liberals stiffle thought? Give me a break. The Christian Coalition would ban many good books that are important to anyone who wants a better understanding of the human condtion. "The greatest study of mankind is man."

And I never said that they complain about the government, they just know how it actually works. Ask most people, and they'll think their vote actually counts, when in actuality, the electoral college can elect who they want, despite popular vote. And I'm not sure what education system you are talking about where people don't fear to lose their jobs. Yes, doctors usually have tenure, but even they can lose their jobs, I've seen it happen. Everyone answers to someone, you have curriculum you must teach, there are plenty of departmental tests, student evaluations and no ones word is law... at least that's what I learned from my profs.

First you call it liberal trash that we should stop killing the world that sustains us and stop acting like parasites... and then say that liberals stiffle thought? Give me a break.

How did that statement stifle the thought of anyone? Did I threaten your grade, income, or anything else if you disagreed with me? Nope, I merely wrote an opinion and you responded. Apparently neither of us were stifled here.

The Christian Coalition would ban many good books that are important to anyone who wants a better understanding of the human condtion.

You're right, they would, and they are just as guilty of close-minded, enemies of the freeflow of ideas that is becoming the standard among too many or our institutions of higher learning. The only difference is you defend the right of one side to do it, while vilifying the other.

Ask most people, and they'll think their vote actually counts, when in actuality, the electoral college can elect who they want, despite popular vote.

Only in some states, and that is the Constitutional method of choosing a president. Now are you going to say that you and your professors are anti Constitution? ;~D (don't worry about answering, I meant it to be a bit over-the-top and rhetorical). ;~D

Those who can't do, teach.

I don't think it is the fact that Universities are selectively picking liberal professors. If 72% of your applicants are liberal, what are you to do? It maybe that Non-liberals have found it more profitable or enjoyable to not go into the higher educational fields. Maybe it is a mind set thing?

Maybe my hypothesis is wrong, because when I finish my twenty years with the military. I plan on using my teaching degree that has taken me 18 years to finally get next semester. But I have also already been offered a research job for more money using my major field, that is very temping. Neither of which I truly needed for cash, due to a good retirement plan and good investments at an early age.

What would you do, take the money/excitement of a research job or enjoy the feeling of being an educator?

Ok, I lied, I'm not going to bed yet.

You may not have been asking me, Lee, but I'm going to answer you. I'm an academic (could you tell?) I will stay in school until I can put Dr. in front of my name, and then I will find a job at a University teaching literature. I could have done anything that makes better money. My father practically begged me to go into Speech Pathology, but that wasn't my calling.

I come from a family of educators from my parents to my brother and sister-in-law, and we have never "suffered" because we didn't have the money to buy nike shoes. I had a better childhood than most if not all of my wealthy friends. So, what am I saying? I would rather do what I like and like what I do than make a lot of money and be miserable. But, if you like what you do and you make a lot of dough, then my congratulations. And now I'm going to bed.

What college are you going to? Maybe the students who try to get as little for their dollar are receiving little knowledge, but I know many who have learned wonderful things during their college experience, myself included.

I graduated from college 13 years ago with bachelors degrees in history and linguistics in eight semesters and a final cumulative gpa of 3.94/4.00. So what? What the hell do the credentials mean? My good friend back then also graduated in linguistics with a far lower gpa, in only that major I might add. I think it was a 2.8 or 2.9. He is far more knowledgeable than I am on the subject.

I worked as a teaching assistant my senior year for a history professor whose material was left-wing propaganda that might as well have been written by chairman Mao. Far too many subjects, taught by far too many professors, are nothing more than propaganda mills, especially in the humanities departments. Anthropology, history, sociology-these aren't taught from wholly factual standpoints. They pic and choose what facts they wish to present, and if certain facts don't fit their agenda, they are quietly brushed aside or vigorously defamed. Why do you think Larry Summer's statements caused an uproar? And now colleges all over are forcing their students to take bullshit multicultural classes in order to teach them the "correct" way of thinking.

1. Colleges and universities don't provide knowledge? I'm with Sugar High Elf on this one; mine certainly did for me. (Perhaps you just didn't make best use of yours, ED.

I make a high 5-figure annual income in an area with a very low cost of living, and my retirement is very secure, as of March 28th, my 35th birthday. My college experience consisted of reading from a book the professor wrote and taking a test on it. If I had to guess, 60% of what I really learned during my college years was done on my own, reading books from the library and having debates with my friends and classmates outside the classroom. Fortunately school was a quite a bit cheaper between 1988 and 1992.

2. I never mentioned 'intelligence'. Actually, I spoke of 'knowledge, learning and understanding'. But you go right ahead and refute the non-existent argument anyway. ie. Respond to what you wanted me to have said, not to what I actually did say. Always a good ploy.

I know what you said. My comment was addressed to all who read what you said; those who believe like you, or those who may come to erroneous conclusion that left-wing ideology is correct because academics are intelligent, and these intelligent people are left-wingers. You know, people who think W. is an idiot because he got a 1250 on his SAT or a C average at Yale. People who think Noam Chomsky knows what he's talking about because he's a prominent professor at a big name university. People like the old history professor I worked for as a TA who flat out told me I should raise my concerns about what and how he was teaching when I got my Ph.D.

Unless you're studying something like mathematics, the college experience is about politics rather than factual exercise and a quest for truth.

I never said any of this, and - I repeat - I never mentioned 'intelligence'. Once again, you create a completely fictitious argument, assign it to me and then - hurrah! - you attempt to knock it down.

Where exactly did I accuse you of using the word intelligence? Please, quote me. I never said you said any of this, and - I repeat - I never said you mentioned 'intelligence'. Once again, you create a completely fictitious argument, assign it to me and then - hurrah! - you attempt to knock it down. Well done you.

So you DID acquire knowledge at college, ED! And that was my point.

Yeah. I learned a lot. I learned how full of shit a lot of professors are. I learned how full of themselves a lot of them are, too. I learned one side of pretty much every story ever told, and had to take it upon myself to learn the other sides. And it only took four years, a couple scholarships, and some money out of my own pocket for all that!

College teaches you how to think in a more critical manner.

This says it all!! This is the reason why, even with the cost, the propaganda and the one-sided slant on everything, college is still worth the time and money.

The tragedy of it all is, we aren't taught critical thinking until college. So what good are those 4 years of high school? ;~D