Good Myr, he's got believe it now because Ockham was a man of God.

Of course, he'll probably claim the Catholics don't count...

Cheers

drmiller you are incorrect, and you repeated yourself in your response to me. (correct way to use your by the way, it's a possive pronoun)  The advice that the chaplains give to the men and women in the forces must be nondenominational, regardless of the faith they preach at service, and the faith they believe in their hearts.

Chaplains are not encouraged, in fact forbidden, from actively seeking out and converting members of the armed forces.  The Army does not pay it's ministers to go on mission trips.  It pays them to offer comfort to people in a traumatic situation.  Yes, the advice is probably biased by their own personal beliefs, but you would be hard pressed to find someone who isn't.

Cheers

Abso-friggin' lutely. It would however, be inacceptable to require ME to do it, and there we do have some common ground.

Maybe the president should place his hand on the constitution, after all it is the document upon which our government is founded.

Cheers

Exactly. I am of the opinion that denying Bush the right to put his hand on the Bible and have a prayer at his inauguration is a restriction of President Bush's free speech. As far as I'm concerned, the President should be able to have the Grand PooBah of the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo up there if he wants to -- there should be SOME level of personal expression allowed there (although, as William Henry Harrisson would be quick to note, it's wise to wrap up your speech quickly if it be a blizzard).