why do people think liberals are godless pinkocommies?

It's not right to stereotype liberals as godless communists, but it also isn't right to stereotype conservatives, southerners, or Protestants as redneck Catholic-hating Jesus freaks. To do so is hypocritical.

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well, im not saying that all protestants are stuck up weirdos by anymeans. to say that is to be prejudiced against some 60 70 percent of america. heck, i once strayed from the church for awhile and experimented with a protestant denomination. though ive corrected myself of the heresy at confession, i must say that while i was there i got a look at the other side of the lawn, and i met some pretty nice protestants actually.
all im saying is that the people like falwell and other so called devout christians in higher places in the government or tv should be a little respectful towards liberals and stop pretending that they speak on behalf of all christians. thats all i mean to say, cause most protestants are generally good people.

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heh, good luck here

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well, im not saying that all protestants are stuck up weirdos by anymeans. to say that is to be prejudiced against some 60 70 percent of america. heck, i once strayed from the church for awhile and experimented with a protestant denomination. though ive corrected myself of the heresy at confession, i must say that while i was there i got a look at the other side of the lawn, and i met some pretty nice protestants actually.

So, there's a difference between saying Protestants would be happy if the Vatican was nuked and "i trully think that if the vatican was to get nuked tomorrow, most of u protestant conservatives would probably say good riddance behind our backs?"

all im saying is that the people like falwell and other so called devout christians in higher places in the government or tv should be a little respectful towards liberals and stop pretending that they speak on behalf of all christians. thats all i mean to say, cause most protestants are generally good people

That's true, but it's also true of the celebrities, Michael Moores , and Ted Kennedies out there that speak up for the liberals.

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hate bush

As a fellow Catholic, don't you think hate is a strong word? Why do you hate him? You never really gave reasons.

beleive in helping the poor

Republicans and Protestant Christians believe in helping the poor, too. They just have different philosophies on how to fund that help.

i am a firm catholic and am dam proud of it

Nothing wrong with being devout and comfortable in your faith. Perhaps you should inform yourself a little more about the teachings of your faith.

in the case of 16 year old rape victims abortion sould be legal.

Your faith as a Catholic does not teach this. Is it the child's fault that someone raped the 16 year old? Should the child be put to death for the rape? Could not the girl put the child up for adoption?

i trully think that if the vatican was to get nuked tomorrow, most of u protestant conservatives would probably say good riddance behind our backs.

It is sad that you feel this way. Who has made you feel this way? Falwell?

it shows in the south

How so? What does "the south" do that demonstrates this accusation? Are you spreading the same "sleazy filth" about Protestants and Southerners, that you claim to dislike in others?

experimented with a protestant denomination. though ive corrected myself of the heresy at confession

It seems you are the one with predjudicial views. Does the Catholic Church teach that Protestantism is heresy? So let's see, by my count, you hate Bush, Protestants, Republicans, and Southerners. Did I leave any out?

Welcome to JU. I look forward to a healthy debate with you.

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Complete newbie here, just bought Political Machine today. That said, liberals being "godless pinkocommies" is simply a stereotype and probably is some kind of logical fallcy - find the most extreme/non-mainstream people of a group of people you can find and then paint the entire group with that broad brush. Yes, secular individuals are drawn to liberal ideals. And I think it's pretty safe to assume that the majority of secular individuals voted liberally in the 2004 election - and that doesn't necessarily mean for Kerry, just not Bush. It's very simple, because liberals are more receptive to the idea of church state separation. Being an extreme minority in a country primarily of religious people, secular individuals will be the most receptive to the party they perceive as being the strongest supporter of religious freedom and church-state separation - and that just so happens to be a liberal tenet. Secularist and communistic liberals are at the furthermost left of the political spectrum, and so they are drawn to liberal parties. People who like to stereotype so they can demonize the other side will use the "godless communist" card. On the flip side, racists and theocrats are drawn to conservative ideals. They are not representative of most conservatives, because just like the extreme left - the "godless communists" - they are on the extreme right. There are some equally intellectually lazy people on the left who will stereotype conservatives as being a bunch of ignorant, religious rednecks. In the end, the name calling does absolutely nothing to help us understand each others' views and try to find a common ground.

Way to jump in head first for my first post

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As a fellow Catholic, don't you think hate is a strong word? Why do you hate him? You never really gave reasons.

well heather, i got plenty of reason for not liking bush. i dont like his foreign policies for bombing the middle east, and i dont like the fact that hes practically droped bin laden off the priority list. i dont like the fact that his administration instated the patriot act, or the fact that we havent gotten a cent of his tax cuts. those are my reasons,sir. and yes, hate is a rather strong word.my mistake sir.

Republicans and Protestant Christians believe in helping the poor, too. They just have different philosophies on how to fund that help.

mind telling me some of those ideas. the only one i know of is suply side economics, and they seem rather out of place.

Nothing wrong with being devout and comfortable in your faith. Perhaps you should inform yourself a little more about the teachings of your faith.

good point there. its been quite awhile since iv gone to church or educated myself. i dont even know where the closest catholic church in my hometown is!(im on vacation right now with my family in mexico.big part of where my catholicism is from)truth is,my rebellion from the church was rather long, and the protestant teachings are still somewhat blurred in my mind.i may be biased.

Your faith as a Catholic does not teach this. Is it the child's fault that someone raped the 16 year old? Should the child be put to death for the rape? Could not the girl put the child up for adoption?

yes good point there. honestly, adoption where iv come from(kansas, though i moved this year), adoption was always frowned upon. i always though such a life to be rather sad. but u forget how closeminded many people are, and they usually either think of 2 options, mother it or kill it. but as a catholic, iv tried to focus on women after highschool, when u can get married therefore we can legitmately give the child to adoption.

It is sad that you feel this way. Who has made you feel this way? Falwell?

yes as a matter of fact yes. also, in my time in a protestant church, i found it strange that they were sending missions to mexico, where the population is between 90 and 98 percent christian(roman catholic i might add). therefore i assume theyre trying to stop catholicism or something. just a hunch is my theory, but a likely one.

What does "the south" do that demonstrates this accusation?

ever heard of a place called bob jones university? always had a anti catholic bias them. the KKK added gays, jews, and ROMAN CATHOLICS to their list of people to kill and intimidate. finding catholics in said southern states is very difficult sir. u ever try it?

Does the Catholic Church teach that Protestantism is heresy?

protestants are mostly from the descendants of the europeans who rebelled against the church, which i believe at the time was a heresy.u should know that. protestantism is still heresy, the only difference now is that the church has learned to tolerate them and respect their views. i feel bad about the heresy cuz for all i know i coulda been excommunicated.

So let's see, by my count, you hate Bush, Protestants, Republicans, and Southerners. Did I leave any out?

i do not like biggots. i do not hate anybody, i just highly dislike a good number of them. i like republicans so long as theyre not like karl rove, falwell, or ann coulter and sean hannity. southern people as a whole are ok, but i really doubt some of them do to similarities to what theyre bigoted ancestors believed in.bigotry doesnt just happen it is taught. and all the good, normal southerners, well, i never see them in books, telvision or the net(except for maybe max cleland or something.i believe hes from goergia)

I look forward to a healthy debate with you.

i believe i do too. you have gained the upper hand on me this time i believe.i look forward to discussing more issues with you. u got msn? give me your email and ill debate u via instant message. anytime you want iamheather

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so youre a firm catholic who doesnt go to church or even know where one is.... and you dont believe in abortion, but you do.

Catholic libral is just one more example of someone who holds faith inside him/herself without having to go to church. Doesn't make him/her any less religious. Sounds like she believes that abortion should be allowed in certain circumstances, unlike some people here who cannot fathom the idea of mitigating or extenuating circumstances.

Welcome, catholic libral.

Probably voted for kerry, (before you voted against him, right?)

When you make up your mind, i'll be happy to debate with you.

You don't want to debate with her. You just want to strongly exhibit your narrow mindedness, and lack of compassion. Come on, dipsy, you've already played your ace here.

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Draginol

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There's a lot of misconception about Republicans and conservatism here.

I personally have never seen any conservative of any type show any such hatred towards Catholics or the Vatican as you describe here.

As for giving to the poor, I suspect if you actually did a pure $$$ gross donations to charities you would find that Republicans far out-give Democrats. This has more to do with the fact that Republicans have more money to give but doesn't change that fact.

I'm pro-choice. But I'm pro-choice on abortion because I don't consider abortion murder (first two trimesters anyway). That's just me. It has nothing to do with a "woman's right" in my opinion. It has everything to do with the fetus not having rights. If you consider abortion to be murder then you should be against abortion.

That's why this whole "except in the case of rape or incest" thing always struck me as total bullshit. If it's murder it's murder. Period.

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i dont like the fact that his administration instated the patriot act, or the fact that we havent gotten a cent of his tax cuts.

Unless you don't pay taxes, you have received a cent of his tax cuts, as anybody who paid taxes received a cut.

mind telling me some of those ideas. the only one i know of is suply side economics, and they seem rather out of place.

Private charities as opposed to government welfare. Some believe that private organizations are more efficient than the government.

but as a catholic, iv tried to focus on women after highschool, when u can get married therefore we can legitmately give the child to adoption.

Can't high school girls legitimately give children up for adoption?

therefore i assume theyre trying to stop catholicism or something. just a hunch is my theory, but a likely one.

You shouldn't make assumptions about other groups. You don't like when people assume you're a godless communist, do you?

ever heard of a place called bob jones university? always had a anti catholic bias them. the KKK added gays, jews, and ROMAN CATHOLICS to their list of people to kill and intimidate. finding catholics in said southern states is very difficult sir. u ever try it?

You do realize there's more to the South than what you mentioned, right? Just like there's more to liberals than godless communism.

i do not like biggots. i do not hate anybody, i just highly dislike a good number of them. i like republicans so long as theyre not like karl rove, falwell, or ann coulter and sean hannity. southern people as a whole are ok, but i really doubt some of them do to similarities to what theyre bigoted ancestors believed in.bigotry doesnt just happen it is taught. and all the good, normal southerners, well, i never see them in books, telvision or the net(except for maybe max cleland or something.i believe hes from goergia)

Do you like people who stereotype you as a godless communist though? If not, then you shouldn't stereotype others. You're a good Catholic, right? Doesn't the Bible say something about picking out the plank in your eye before complaining about the prick in another's?

Catholic libral is just one more example of someone who holds faith inside him/herself without having to go to church. Doesn't make him/her any less religious. Sounds like she believes that abortion should be allowed in certain circumstances, unlike some people here who cannot fathom the idea of mitigating or extenuating circumstances.

Unless abiding the rules of the Catholic faith and attending the Catholic church are not requirements in the Catholic church, what LW says is right.

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I'm pro-choice. But I'm pro-choice on abortion because I don't consider abortion murder (first two trimesters anyway). That's just me. It has nothing to do with a "woman's right" in my opinion. It has everything to do with the fetus not having rights. If you consider abortion to be murder then you should be against abortion.
That's why this whole "except in the case of rape or incest" thing always struck me as total bullshit. If it's murder it's murder. Period.

I completely agree with you, draginol. However, the "rape or incest" thing is merely a concession, at best, to enable at least some to condone the "murder". But, I don't think it's murder, and I do think it's a woman's right to choose. Certainly, her right over an unborn fetus. And, certainly not for some men (mostly) in high places to make these determinations for women. And, certainly not for any religion to dictate over others' religious beliefs.

If you're against abortion, then don't have one.

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Your faith as a Catholic does not teach this.

Actually, my catholic faith does teach me that. The Catholic Church has not always held the same position on abortion, and while it has almost always considered it sinful, it was merely regarded as a sexual sin rather than homicide in the beginning. St. Augustine clearly stated that abortion was not homicide, that it was more like "seeds perisihing which have not fructified." I could go on with catholic history, but the main point is that the Pope has never made the position on abortion an "infallible" one. Moreover, Catholic theology tells individuals to follow their personal conscience in moral matters, even when their conscience is in conflict with hierarchical views. So contrary to what you've stated, you can know and understand your church's teachings and still be pro-choice. Being that I am a pro-choice catholic, I resent the implication that the only reason I could believe as I do is because I am uneducated in the catechism...that is simply not the case.

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im not a woman jsut so you know

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Abortion, like war, should be a last resort.

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Abortion, like war, should be a last resort.

I disagree with that. If nothing's wrong with abortion, then what would be wrong with a woman doing it willy nilly?

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As for giving to the poor, I suspect if you actually did a pure $$$ gross donations to charities you would find that Republicans far out-give Democrats. This has more to do with the fact that Republicans have more money to give but doesn't change that fact.

would it be possible to do that as a percentage of total income?

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I read every reply in this and I was so interested, that I had to sign up and respond. I am on neither side completely on this issue, for I am moderate, and don't view either side to be completely correct. I believe that the idea of liberals being pinko commies is just as false as conservatives being evangelical prodistant hicks. I have a father who is conservative and does not go to church very often, and a mother who is liberal and devout to her faith. BOTH catholic. I will say that I do at this point in time consider myself a democrat if anything, but definitely not a liberal, not to put down liberals, but even though I do believe in many things that most liberals believe in such as being pro choice, I also believe in a lot of policies that the republicans have supported such as the recent social security reform bill. I believe in the social security reform bill being of the post baby boomer generation (better known as generation X) and believing that this bill after looking through it (and writing ten pages about it for my presidency class last semester), is the best possible way we have at this time to keep social security as at least a possibility for those of my generation. If those of you who object..that's the great part of the deal, the social security reform bill gives you a CHOICE whether to participate or not. One could still keep all their social security in the old plan, but they would have to deal with the fact that they might...or might not get it back when they really need it. As for the religious issue, I like the one who started this blog...am catholic, and I just like her, do not go to church. The thing about the catholic religion is, to be honest....the faith is pure...at least..mine is... I have a very close and loving relationship with God, but I am often turned off from the church (church meaning the heirarchy) for it's teachings. The problem is that the people who are running it are old. The pope if you've ever seen him speak, can barely carry out a sentence without gasping for air in between. How is he supposed to know if gays and lesbians are accepted into heaven, or whether pro choice is a sin or not. He doesn't, anymore than you and I do. The only one who knows this is God, therefore nobody will know the real truth until we all meet with him in the end. But honestly..that gay and lesbian thing...I don't see it going away anytime soon within the catholic church...maybe not until someone in my generation becomes pope...or maybe even later...who knows. As for abortion...I am pro choice as I said before, but not pro abortion. There can be a distinct difference. I am against abortion, not because of my heirarchy of a church....not because of my deeply spiritual faith, but because of my personal belief that if I was given a choice at conception, to get rid of the kid, or keep it...I would keep it. I don't hate people who do it, but I dislike the act that is done. However, I also believe that within the first and maybe even the second trimester, women do have a right to choose in certain circumstances on what to do with their body. I don't like the idea of using it for birth control, but if we make this illegal....there WILL be backdoor abortions, whcih can further spread various diseases such as AIDS. Also, I understand that when a woman is raped, she does have facilities such as planned paranthood, where she can receive the morning after pill, to prevent conception from occuring within the first 70 hours. On the other hand however, lets consider a circumstance that many may not have thought of. A teenager is at a party that she probably shouldn't have been to. She is invited into a back room by a much older and stronger man, whom essentially tries to rape her through the means of illegal substances. The girl becomes weak and is essentially by the end of the night raped, but the next day, she feels tired, and worn out. She gets up, goes home (in this rare case, nobody could find her that night, or she doesn't have anyone who would want to find her) and tries to remember what happened. She has no clue that a sexual encounter even happened, or even a recollection of meeting that man who raped her. Three months later, she notices that she's pregnant. What does she do? She could put the baby up for adoption, not knowing even how it got there, and be forever reminded that there is someone out there who looks like her, and is half biologically identical to her, and regret ever giving her up. Or she could keep the baby, being forever reminded that she was probably raped, has no idea who the father is, and thsu this might psychologically mess with the girl and her ways of raising this child forever. OR she could abord the child, and get some help and possibly get through this and move on with her life. Although, there is a possibility that she could regret aborting the child as well. All I can say is, that this situation is very tough and there is not a clear answer for it. I guarantee that the abortion issue will NOT be solved in my generation, nor anytime soon, therefore steriotyping one with a certain political stance is not necessarily the smartest idea when concerning such a controversial issue.

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"why do people think liberals are godless pinkocommies?"

For the same reason that many liberals think that all conservatives are mindless, "red-neck", "queer" hating, Bush loving, Ditto headed, Jesus freaks.....

The press told them, and they obeyed.

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why do people think liberals are godless pinkocommies?

BECAUSE OVER HALF OF THEM ARE!!

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