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Your thoughts on Marijuana

December 13, 2004 10:41:02 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Hey,

I have tried having this conversion on other forums but it always gets out of hand with people flaming eachother. I just want to have a conversation about the subject and hear peoples thoughts on it and maybe clear some rumors about it up. There are many people who think it's bad and that it's very bad for your lungs. Me being from Canada I smoke it regularly so I don't have a problem with it. The only factor I can see is that it is bad for the lungs as is any smoke to inhale. I was thinking for medical reasons, if they extracted the THC from inside the plant and simply put it in canisters and distrubute it to patients much like anesthesia. That way there is no lung damage from inhaling the smoke and the patients can be given certian dosages to scale rather than having to smoke up.

Say what you have to say. All opinions welcome.
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Reply #1 December 13, 2004 11:00:47 PM
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"Me Being from Canada....." what does that have to do with anything. Smoking it has blurred your mind. I'm from Canada as well and I do have a problem with it. Do you drive when your high from "smoking up" or you don't have a problem with that either.
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Reply #2 December 13, 2004 11:27:23 PM
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marijuana is not as bad as smoking or drinking.. i dont get why they make them legal....
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Reply #3 December 13, 2004 11:47:48 PM
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I agree. The meaning "Me being from Canada..." simply met the laws here are much lighter on the drug than in the US. As far as driving I do drive after "smoking up" because it doesn't create any problems. There however is a big difference between drinking and driving. Look at anyone who drinks. Some people can drive fine after having 1 beer or 1 glass of wine. I can drive fine after 1 joint. I can understand getting completely wasted and not being able to see the road, but drinking and smoking are the same. When your hammered out of your mind you can't drive.
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Reply #4 December 14, 2004 12:30:36 AM
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Just yesterday the Victorian Police introduced the world's first 'Drug test' Booze Bus ....testing for those 'party drugs' much favoured by idiot-ravers .....[and Truckies] ....took ten minutes to catch their first. And it's a zero tolerance, I believe ....first offence 3 months and 300 dollars, I think.....
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Reply #5 December 14, 2004 1:14:29 AM
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Being from the U.S. I believe it should be used medicinally if prescribed by a Doctor. Some U.S. laws are very antiquated when it comes to drugs and what can be termed as of "medical" value. As for recreational use...I don't care if people smoke it or not...however, as in the case of Drunk Drivers, well...just don't hit me or mine... .
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Reply #6 December 14, 2004 1:18:42 AM
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One thing that I have noticed about grass is that it's a drug that is often used out of boredom. If you have nothing else to do it sorta kills time and fills that void. If you become used to it the effects become pretty easy to manage, so a user can smoke almost any time. The problem is that the more you use the more bored you become and the more you use. I have seen that pattern in myself, and after quitting, in all of my friends that still smoke.
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Reply #7 December 14, 2004 3:23:19 AM
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I agree with Old Crab.... just don't get behind the wheel.
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Reply #8 December 14, 2004 3:24:43 AM
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Just yesterday the Victorian Police introduced the world's first 'Drug test' Booze Bus


Yes, I read about this, and apparently if it's a successful trial, it will be 'adopted and adapted' by many nations.

So ...the days of tokin' and drivin' may well be numbered (everywhere).
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Reply #9 December 14, 2004 3:48:12 AM
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Well, there's people who smoke now and then and you'd never know it meeting them, and then there's the complete burnouts and waste cases. People who can handle it for recreational use are fine, but the true potheads are way too prelavent, making asses of themselves and becoming a drain on society. Pot is too widely available, especially to younger people who definitely won't be able to handle it. The stuff should be controlled, if not completely removed.
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Reply #10 December 14, 2004 5:00:06 AM
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I put it in the same class as drinking and smoking. Rather dumb habits, but as long as it doesn't bother me, I don't mind. I do have a grudge with smoking in general, since it, by default, is something you will bother others with (unless you lock yourself up in a controlled environment). But that aside.

It is currently legal here to use it for medical purposes. So if it works for those users, I'd say go for it.
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Reply #11 December 14, 2004 5:19:51 AM
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"Some people" can drive fine after having 1 beer or 1 glass of wine. I can drive fine after 1 joint. What about those people who think they can and then kill your loved ones in an auto accident? Is it still ok?
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Reply #12 December 14, 2004 6:41:23 AM
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Drugs are bad. Mkay!
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Reply #13 December 14, 2004 6:41:29 AM
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Well, having been addicted to many things (substances, I mean. not websites) and having quit all of those same things, what I have noticed about Marijauna is that it causes apathy. And that plays out in a lot of areas of life. There are not many CEO's that HABITUALLY smoke, because they need to be on top of their game. They cannot be sleepy and have the munchies while discussing a merger. Many people cannot afford the luxury of a lifestlyle of a "mental haze". I also noticed that things that don't effect you when you are a teenager, will affect you when you are older. If you want to stay sharp, lay off the stuff. Just my experience.
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Reply #14 December 14, 2004 7:05:35 AM
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Sleeping Dragon hit it on the head. APATHY.....It becomes EASIER to just sit at home and not deal with other "straight" people. I credit the birth of my son with showing me just how much I had withdrawn from life. It's funny how once I quit I didn't even miss it. I wasn't the same with cigarettes. Even after almost six years I still have dreams about them.
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Reply #15 December 14, 2004 7:59:25 AM
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I agree with most of the points you have mentioned here. It does dull your senses and in the long run it will be something you will need to lay off of if you want to run a business or what not. There are also a portion of the people that use the drug that make asses out of themselves and give it a very bad rep, but that is with anything. You can't tell me that there are tons of people that abuse alcohol and make complete asses out of themselves giving it also a bad rep. There is always going to be the few bad apples. I'll admit driving will on it isn't the best in the world but it's much different then driving while drunk.

The main thing that bothers me about it is the fact that cigarettes are legal and this is not. Cigarettes imo are much worse then Marijuana. They are loaded with chemicals and made to be highly addictive. Ask anyone who has smoked both for at least a year and which is harder to quit. Just look at Lantec who said he still has dreams of smoking cigarettes.

Jafo what is that Victorian Police thing about?
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Reply #16 December 14, 2004 8:03:20 AM
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Unlike alchohol there is no legal limit for drug-driving, therefore any amount found in the bloodstream is illegal.

Smoking tobacco should be made illegal, and hospitals should refuse treatment for people who smoke. I had to wait 2+ years for my heart operation (eventually going in as an emergency) because the queue was full of self-inflicted heart diseased smokers.
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Reply #17 December 14, 2004 8:06:12 AM
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It is about the beginning of the end of drivers getting away with killing people while adversely affected by drugs OTHER than alcohol ....I for one wouldn't care what drug it was or wasn't....death by vehicle should be murder, either way, under the influence or not.
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Reply #18 December 14, 2004 8:30:18 AM
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Marijuana has pretty much the same negative effects that cigarette has, plus a few extras. There is nicotine in marijuana, and tar, and carbon monoxide. Saying cigarette is bad and marijuana is good is somewhat hypocritical, or ignorant. Add to that that marijuana dulls your mind and make your senses less acute (a bit like alcohol), and it's definately not something that I would call a good thing. Especially if you're driving. Note also, that you can get in serious trouble (in Canada too) if caught driving intoxicated (by marijuana or alcohol), and there ARE tests that can determine the amount of THC in your blood.
Marijuana can have some good in some medical cases (it's a good analgesic for patients in extreme pain, as said before it dulls your senses), but otherwise for healthy people it's a bad idea.
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Reply #19 December 14, 2004 8:57:13 AM
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"It does dull your senses and in the long run it will be something you will need to lay off of if you want to run a business or what not."

How will you know when "the long run" is up if you blow your mind. You think you are controlling your own mind but this and other drugs have a funny way of taking over before you know it.

You seem to have a way of articulating your thoughts at the moment.

Don't waste a good mind.
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Reply #20 December 14, 2004 9:26:45 AM
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I used to smoke, daily, havent now for over 6 years, and i find my life has improved, all around, i can actually think again, and my goals have changed, personally, I think we should just use it for its resources, like making rope, etc, too me theres more to life than getting high,, just my experience on the matter,,,,Joe S.
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Reply #21 December 14, 2004 9:27:08 AM
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You know i am also canadian,and was for the last 30 years a truck driver. And you could not belive the amount of people i have seen killed on the roads due to stupidity. So what i belive is that if you are caught driving under the influnce of pot, or booze you should get a 3 year prison term.It may seem rought, but have you ever Thaught about how many lives it destroys.Not to get graphic,but have you ever seen a child that has just been killed in a traffic accident.Due to some stupid fool, that just wanted to have a good time.Well i have. You know i belive that as aldults we are responsible for our actions, And should be held accountable for them
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Reply #22 December 14, 2004 9:35:04 AM
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I work with youth (I am a counselor) that are addicted to a variety of drugs, including alcohol and marijuana. I have seen once bright youth with very promising futures lose it all because someone told them that marijuana was harmless. There is a ton of research that proves how toxic marijuana is to the system, much more than cigarettes. There is also a ton of research on impairment that it causes. In the end, though, it boils down to what you tell yourself - you would be surprised at how many of the youth that I work with on a daily basis would tell you that everything in their life was good, despite the fact that everything around them was falling apart, mainly due to their abuse of mood altering chemicals.
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Reply #23 December 14, 2004 9:48:50 AM
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driving I do drive after "smoking up" because it doesn't create any problems

It does dull your senses

So, it is OK to have dulled senses when driving?

In the US, we have a "Driving while under the influence".  That would include drugs of any sort, because it *does* affect your driving.

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Reply #24 December 14, 2004 9:53:19 AM
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Just for the moment (har har) lets say that I'm some lunatic out to destroy my body with as many pyscotropic drugs as possible (because I'm not really, but I support the following views)...

I'm a moderate american. I support the right to trash my body however I see fit. Because, after all, I own my body. Americans are allowed to eat fast food until they explode. Americans are allowed to destroy their lungs and livers as they see fit. We're also allowed to swim in the deep end of the pool without a lifegaurd present (no diving!).

If I want to drive a tank down the road, and I can pay the taxes on the tank to do so, damnit I should be able to.

People should be able to do whatever they would like.. TO THEMSELVES. Only when a person's own actions infringes on the lives or livelyhood of another should their actions be regulated. Such is drinking; you drink - you get drunk - you wake up without recolection of what you did. Thats fine and peachy. You drink - you get drunk - you drive; *buzzer sounds* that's where youre likely to have a negative impact on someone else's livelyhood, and that's where you should be regulated.
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Reply #25 December 14, 2004 10:31:53 AM
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OK, since when did this become a discussion about being stoned and driving...As far as the subject as a whole I honestly don't think there is a problem with smokin marijuana. I smoke weed, but i don't smoke cigarettes. It's just a matter of picking your poison. It's your life right? You should be able to live it as you wish.
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