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[.80] Bug Collar that controls a twisted unit dissapears

What is a twisted unit?

April 24, 2013 3:40:31 AM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

I just did a quest that gave me a collar that can control a twisted unit. I do not know what a twisted unit is, so i tried the collar on a random unit. It said that it did now work on this type of unit, but the collar disappeared anyway.

And what is a twisted unit, i think the description of the item should say that. 

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Reply #1 April 24, 2013 6:21:21 AM
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Each unit belongs to a category. You can see it when you open the information window on a unit. There is no list of such creatures, but there is a logic to it. A twisted unit will be one of those monsters that are non standard humans and beasts. 

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Reply #2 April 24, 2013 11:10:59 AM
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Quoting joasoze,
reply 1
There is no list of such creatures,

What about the Monster Manual? Sure, it is only for FE, so the LH-only monsters won't be in it, but it should be a start.

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Reply #3 April 24, 2013 2:25:51 PM
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I also had this happen to me. The collar disappeared after trying it on "a wrong type". I reloaded because it was Ongr and I don't know why I couldn't charm him.

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Reply #4 April 24, 2013 4:03:19 PM
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Quoting joasoze,
reply 1

Each unit belongs to a category. You can see it when you open the information window on a unit. There is no list of such creatures, but there is a logic to it. A twisted unit will be one of those monsters that are non standard humans and beasts. 

 

Yep, this is all correct, but what I think the OP is trying to say is that if you try to use this collar on for example a beast, then the collar shouldn't disappear + that the unit trying to use the collar loses his turn. Instead it should simply not work to use the collar at all if the target isn't of a twisted race. This is a bug I presume, and not working as intended.

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Reply #5 April 24, 2013 4:25:20 PM
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This also happened to me although I'm pretty sure I just clicked to select it and then right clicked to cancel and it disappeared.

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Reply #6 April 26, 2013 12:12:41 AM
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Quoting N1ghthavvk,
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I also had this happen to me. The collar disappeared after trying it on "a wrong type". I reloaded because it was Ongr and I don't know why I couldn't charm him.

You can't use the "Ascian" collar on Ongr, but you can use the standard, brown, random drop collars on him.

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Reply #7 April 26, 2013 5:56:47 AM
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Quoting schattenjaeger,
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 You can't use the "Ascian" collar on Ongr, but you can use the standard, brown, random drop collars on him.

 

If that's true then clearly it's not working as intended. The standard collars should only allow to tame Beasts and Ongr is a Twisted creature.

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Reply #8 April 26, 2013 4:07:44 PM
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Ongr is actually an Ogre I think. I do not believe he is a Twisted in his description.

And whenever I went on to control him it always worked with the Ascian Collar.

I actually just checked: Ongr is a Trog.

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Reply #9 April 26, 2013 8:56:07 PM
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Well looking at his data, he's actually both:

 

<DisplayName>Ongr the Unbound</DisplayName>                                                                                                      <CreatureType>Twisted</CreatureType>                                                                                                                 <RaceType>Race_Type_Trogs</RaceType>

 

 

In other words, he's a Twisted disguised as a Trog, which explains why you can tame him with the Amethyst Collar.

There's probably something that needs to be corrected one way or the other.

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Reply #10 April 29, 2013 4:02:07 PM
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Has anyone used the collar to take control of a dark wizard? Having the despair spell whenever you want it is basically a "win" button. 

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Reply #11 April 29, 2013 4:02:43 PM
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Ongr used to be listed as twisted (ha, rhyme).

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