Good old Starkers. Microsoft fanboi behavior at it's best.

You think Apple is on the downhill trend? Whatever. All it will take is a new iPhone or better iPad or another OSX revision with new features and it will be right on top.

Sadly, for Apple, it's going to take a whole lot more than that, and frankly, going by what's left of its talent pool [now missing Steve Jobs] and IOS as stale as 2 month old bread, I just don't think they have it in them.  And why is it I keep referring to IOS and not OS-X?  That's because it is Apple's portable division that's making all the money/is most profitable.... and IOS is what it runs on. 

As it is, Google has stolen Apple's portable crown, with Android devices far exceeding the number of iPads and iPhones out there, and then you have Microsoft, Samsung and a dozen other companies all snapping at Apple's heels with portable Win 8 devices.  Now don't scoff and say that Win 8 devices are a fail, because they are far from that, and when the majority of people realise just how damned good they are, the arse will fall right out of Apple's mobile market.  Believe me, I have a Win 8 phone and it runs rings around any Android I or the missus have had, and in the phone shop, when I was handed an iPhone 5 to compare with the Nokia Lumia 820, honestly, it was slow and paled into insignificance beside the W8 Nokia phone.  Don't believe me, then ask the dozen or so former iPhone owners here at WC, who now have a W8 phone instead.... or better still, go to You tube and search 'Smoked by a W8 phone".

As for OS-X, it will always play second fiddle to Windows, regardless of how many new features it gets. As for Win 8 not being well received, well that's history repeating itself, don't you think?  Nobody liked the changes Vista brought about until Win 7, and the same thing will happen here.  When Win 9 is released it'll be the bees knees and all will be right with the world again, so regardless of what you and other doubters think of Windows 8, it is the gateway to the future of computing and OS-X will bust a nut trying to catch up.

In a nutshell, then, Steve Jobs was the innovator and visionary at Apple, and with his passing the company has lost much more than just a CEO.  When he passed, Apple lost the engine that propelled it forward; the spark that ignited brilliance; the glue that held it together, and without him, the Apple of today is merely riding on his coat tails, his innovation and successes.  So, when it counts most, and Apple needs to produce that something special to remain competitive, it'll become more than evident that the required spark of brilliance expired with its former founder.

Now that would be alright if you had any real 1st-hand experience with them and could comment with some authority. 

I have had a few people talk to me about how they do not like the fact that Microsoft took away the traditional Start menu and do not want to use a third party app to bring it back. They would rather rather stick to Windows 7.

Which, of course, gives you enough win 8 knowledge to "continue to spread the word to all I know that Windows 8 and Windows 8 devices are crap." 

I just hope the people you convince know where your authority to condemn the OS came from.

Geebus you guys talk too much   I don't even know what page I was on when I was last here.

With regards to WinRT at least, of course it's going to replace Win32 (not sunset it, but replace it for the majority of development.)

But it's ridiculous to think that the feature set of WinRT today will be the same in a few years, it's a new platform.  Is .NET 4.5 the same as 1.0?

Heh.

And now I'm probably going to disappear for another five/ten/whatever pages.

You can't ignore WinRT since it'll be the only interface. That's the whole point of it, that you can't ignore it.

And, yes it's funny that most 'W8 is great'  people here are the ones who use Start replacements. 

And where does Microsoft go if the 3rd party devs ignore it for dropping legacy support?  It is, after all, their bread and butter, what they've based their entire programming regimes upon.  I mean, really, why would Adobe and Corel support MS in its RT aspirations after having the rug pulled out right from under them.  More to the point, how is Corel or Adobe going to develop a complex and resource intensive content creation/editing suite for an underpowered OS that's designed for very low-end Atom processors? 

Besides, it makes no sense for Microsoft to cut its partners throats like that. Without those software partners, MS has no real reason to develop an OS... apart from a few piddling apps [no offense to developers of those], there'd be eff all to run on it and the failure of Win ME would then be considered a great success in compaison.  Frankly, I believe you three, Savyg, yourself and petrossa, are reading far too much into this and that Windows RT is simply a portable extension of the legacy desktop.... that users and 3rd party devs have nothing to worry about.  So no, it's not that I'm afraid that MS will "continue what they started".  No, I'd be more worried if Apple found the cash reserves and balls to mount a takeover and called it Windows OS-X. Smug Edition.

Yeah, that's frickin' terrible, isn't it.  Heaven forbid that anyone would want to add anything to an OS to make it look, work, feel better. You're right, it should be considered a crime and perpetrators oughta be slapped in irons and fed just bread and water.  I mean, how dare they!  After all, MS created the perfect OS that's aesthetically pleasing in every way and idolators who attempt to change it in any way should be harshly dealt with by a dominatrix of their own choosing.  And me, well I should go over Miss Spanky's knee first.  Not only have I Start8 and Decor8 installed, I have CFX, IconPackager, Soundpackager and Fences as well, so I'm either a repeat offender, a multiple offender, or both.

Just to add some MORE fuel to the fire,

winRT is for the ARM processor family, NOT the intel i-x86 family and can not run on the intels,

BUT the win32 & win64 CAN

harpo

great. now finally tell me where i can get the Google Mail and Maps apps you claim to run.

Yep.. you do that... based on word of mouth instead of legit hands on experience. No big shocker there at all. How much more smoke do you really think you can try to blow up the ass of people here?