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October 20, 2012 9:18:26 AM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

 

 

Hello Dev's, first of all CONGRATS! That's a really good major update that you've made. Especially the "Desktop pages" with individual icons!

However, I come with few features thoughts :


1 - You should add : Switch pages when wheeling up/down middle mouse button.
-> Features / Desktop Pages / page switching


2 - Also add : Automatically hide icons when windows start.
-> Features / Quick-hide / Settings


3 - And the last one is to give us the choice to : Able/Disable the transparency effect on Outline Fence area.
-> Features / Adjust color & appearance / Additional Tweaks


What do you think of?


 

 

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Reply #1 October 20, 2012 10:06:36 AM
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What do you think of?

All sound good..... depends on what's do-able .... but once the Boffins check out this thread.....you 'never know....' ...

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Reply #2 October 27, 2012 6:21:08 PM
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I wouldn't give them anymore to do,they have too many problems to fix first !!!!

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Reply #3 October 30, 2012 9:11:37 AM
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#2 is an interesting option . . but no one does nothing after starting.  They do *something*.  They open a program.  So the option to automatically hide works pretty well.

#1 I'll pass along but middle buttondown + drag left or right works pretty well too.

#3 . . on or off exists now.  Trans would take resources without much affect.

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Reply #4 November 1, 2012 5:04:50 PM
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I have to admit that the first one was the essential missing for me, really.. I can't understand how you could prefer to "click + DRAG" when a simple mouse wheel can do the same?! I really like the page feature, but I think that dragging isn't a logical gesture with a mouse. Why do the hard way when you can follow the easiest?

Why don't you submit "Features poll" on the forum/homepage?
 
Thanks to all for your responses by the way

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Reply #5 November 1, 2012 7:41:07 PM
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Quoting CitizenhanceR,
reply 4
have to admit that the first one was the essential missing for me, really.. I can't understand how you could prefer to "click + DRAG" when a simple mouse wheel can do the same?! I really like the page feature, but I think that dragging isn't a logical gesture with a mouse. Why do the hard way when you can follow the easiest?

Desktop apps/enhancements need to be careful what input method is intercepted/used as it may just cripple functionality within other apps which are open/running.

I'm sure hooking into the scroll wheel would be simple...but I expect there may be very good reasons not to....

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Reply #6 November 3, 2012 3:43:10 PM
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The input method is ONLY intercepted when the mouse is over the desktop. So even if a windows fill a side and need to use/focus the scroll-bar, there will not be any conflict, because the switching feature can't work over opened windows.

I really don't understand your thoughts when you supposed that there may be "possible" conflict?

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Reply #7 November 3, 2012 11:39:11 PM
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I really think that we should be able to assign a hotkey to quick-hide our icons. Along with giving the option to auto-hide or hide the taskbar. Would also be nice to interweave this with keyboard launcher for custom keys.

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Reply #8 November 4, 2012 7:04:55 AM
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Good idea too dlnschutte! I don't need this feature, but this is a really good one. Like a BOSS KEY

Anyway, I think there is a problem. We are customers, so we pay also to the future development of the products and when we came with ideas (that aren't needs for minority, that will be useful for many), you seems to avoid the one that will be to complicated or just those you'll don't use/like.
This is a pyramidal chain of development. I understand that you have your own vision for the future of the products, but you have to make poll to objectively choose the best submissions! The product is made FOR US.
Your forum board is mainly use to report problems and SELF suggestions. A Poll online or even better a Stardock Desktop poll notifications software (on systray for exemple) will involve some of us that want more than awaiting for YOUR ideas. That can also be a good way to show all of your products.

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Reply #9 November 4, 2012 6:05:30 PM
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Quoting CitizenhanceR,
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Anyway, I think there is a problem. We are customers, so we pay also to the future development of the products and when we came with ideas (that aren't needs for minority, that will be useful for many), you seems to avoid the one that will be to complicated or just those you'll don't use/like.
To be very clear: You pay for a set of features that exist at the moment you push the purchase button and we deliver that.

While we may solicit feedback, that doesn't mean we have to do it.  It may be too hard, or it may be that we think it won't make us money later, or we may think it's a bad idea.  In any case, you don't own us because you gave us money once in exchange for software with a set of features.

So . . thanks for the feedback.  Keep it up.  Wee appreciate knowing the thoughts of our users.

But drop the entitlement . . because that's something you are assuming, not something we are promising.

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Reply #10 November 4, 2012 6:50:09 PM
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Yes, I think Zubaz explained the reality quite clearly.

Stardock is always receptive to ideas to enhance [improve] their software but ultimately have the final say [as is their right] as to what does or doesn't get adopted/used.

There are all sorts of reasons as to what may be not suitable, and as the authors of the product it will always remain up to Stardock as to how the product is released [or revised]....

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Reply #11 November 5, 2012 5:29:58 PM
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I didn't mean to get in the middle of this controversy, just throwing my suggestion out there. Any Feedback about if it's worthwhile to add and such, would be appreciated.

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Reply #12 November 6, 2012 8:56:48 PM
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one of my request's would be to add a single click option, eg: under the Configure Fences add an option to turn on single click to start an application 

 

I know Windows has an option to turn on single click but it carry's over into other things that I don't want single click for, eg: Windows Explorer

 

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Reply #13 November 7, 2012 9:41:48 AM
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You're acting in bad faith and deliberately distorted my words, so be it.
A closed mind said that I assuming, while an open mind understood that I proposing.

Never mind, don’t change anything, you may evolve...

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Reply #14 November 7, 2012 3:29:11 PM
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Quoting CitizenhanceR,
reply 13
You're acting in bad faith and deliberately distorted my words, so be it.
A closed mind said that I assuming, while an open mind understood that I proposing.

Never mind, don’t change anything, you may evolve...

In the Op ...."You should add...."

....would be more appropriate as "I suggest as a possible improvement...."

Then #8 .... "you have to make...".  No, Stardock doesn't 'have to' do anything other than provide the product the customer purchased.  That is all.

SUGGESTIONS for features that MAY be added, or that you would LIKE to see added are quite acceptable and invited, but it's the tone of 'entitlement' that can be an issue.  Customers do not pay for future development, they pay for an existing product with the features currently included...

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Reply #15 November 8, 2012 6:08:08 PM
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My bad, I'm not English and my translation isn't really good but when I said "you have to make", I don't mean it as an order! I mean it as a logical way, this is the best approach you could make with your customers.

Yes we pay for an existing product. But if you stay with that vision of not involve the customers in the development process, then you are (in my opinion) wrong, because you are not making artistic products. Yours are in constant evolution and are build on customers needs of customization/productivity, so based on that fact, the best way to choose the future features is the polls or at least a real consultation with customers.
Your vision bring us wonderful products, but ignoring the fact that our thoughts could make them even better is foolish. If you presume that we only pay for the released products, then this is the same thing than considering your vision as best than our and that we should only wait and pay. Otherwise, you would share the creation process.

You should questioning the way your company works, because winning a lot of money and having a large amount of customers doesn't necessary mean that you are the bests in what you do, and you should want to.

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Reply #16 November 8, 2012 6:21:19 PM
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Dude, really???

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Reply #17 November 8, 2012 8:52:05 PM
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Quoting CitizenhanceR,
reply 15
You should questioning the way your company works, because winning a lot of money and having a large amount of customers doesn't necessary mean that you are the bests in what you do, and you should want to.

I'll work on the process that this is still an English-is-not-first-language thing....

There are VERY FEW players in the world of Windows GUI customizing software and Stardock is the longest running and most successful.  It's probably reasonable thus to assume how they are doing things is generally the BEST way to be doing it.

The Wincustomize.com community is the primary source of all the development ideas as it's also the location where most of the Windows skinners can be found. 

Suggestions and advice are commonly/often acted-upon as that is part of how Stardock does it the right way.

In other words....go back to response #1 .....

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Reply #18 November 9, 2012 4:37:34 AM
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Are you kidding me?! Wincustomize.com, for real?! The comparison is not even doable with DeviantArt.com!! You really should get out of your little world...

So, to you, the success and the longevity of Stardock is the PROOF that you are the bests? Is that really the way you think? That is worst than I thought. I can't debate anymore with you because you have a major lack of objectivity.

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Reply #19 November 9, 2012 4:57:05 AM
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Deviantart.com 'WAS' a fellow skinning site which evolved into art-specific site.  Please try NOT to educate us as to some perceived alternate reality...it is incorrect.

ALL the originators of Wincustomize.com are also, and have always been members of Devart.  We fully understand the inherent dynamics of BOTH sites.

Devart was at one time a sister-member of ours.

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Reply #20 November 9, 2012 4:57:35 AM
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Wincustomize and DevArt really cannot be compared, side by side.
DevArt is an art site, with option to share skins as well, and is unmoderated. ("Anything goes, and they may check up on your complaints")
Wincustomize is a skin site, primarily for Stardock powered applications, and is moderated.

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Reply #21 November 10, 2012 12:10:54 AM
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If I may, Lets get back to the original post.

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Reply #22 November 10, 2012 12:28:33 AM
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Quoting dlnschutte,
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If I may, Lets get back to the original post.
The original post has been addressed.

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Reply #23 November 10, 2012 7:37:29 PM
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Topic wise, I want to hear some comments on what I have suggested.

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