And it can be interrupted...

No...I actually thought it was OP before Rebellion but...well...people told me Vasari were underpowered (by people I mean Qu4r)...

He said that after he got double teamed or what?

About the nanites.......

As long as I remember - Vasari always been the dev's favorite race,they were never UP.Tec were,Advent were,but never Vasari.

Elitist Pro's usually preffered(and still do) playing Vasari to gain more odds for winning.1v1 Vasa always were the toughest to deal with.

I dont expect them to be balanced anymore,its a "I am a fag and I MUST WIN" race.

Deal with it.

Further testing confirmed that the effect last for 5 minutes, no matter what!

So even if you jump out in full retreat, a pursuing fleet will do grave damage to you, because you will have no abllities of any kind or any hull or shield regeneration.

Please consider that every hull point regenerated per second is a hull point after armor and after shield mitigation.

That means, that 1000 hull points regenerated in a minute does equal the ammount of 7000 damage done in that time.

7000 multiplied by 5 minutes..... 35000 effective damage.

For a single freaking turret.

Advent Beam Synergy is puny...

TEC Meson Bolt and Burst Rockets is actually not bad... but it has to go trough mitigation and armor first....

I request a Nerf to it. Hard.

I think it would be nicer if it did a 15% reduction of everything, but stack up to 5 times, for a max 75% reduction. it would have its effect reduced by 1/3 against capital ships (10*5 = max 50% reduction) and 2/3 against titans (5 * 5 = max 25% reduction).

Aaaand time should be reduced as well, 2 minutes max.

To the people claiming vasari were always OP, I seem to remember a couple of posts/threads to the contrary in the past.  Most of which were backed up by the bigger MP people at the time.  (Darvin and RagingAmish)

Haven't seen either in a while, and I'm pretty sure Amish outright left, but they had some pretty good points as to how they were the most inferior.  This was around the same time as buggy Illums around Entrenchment though, so it doesn't apply to current games.  Still, stating Vas have always been OP is inaccurate.

-Twi

I wasn't comparing the balance.  People were claiming Vasari have always been OP, and I was correcting them.

-Twi

Vasari Missile Platform:

HP 3000

Armor 12

Base Damage 20

   Disruptor Nanites:

   Duration 300

   Passive Regeneration Disabled

TEC Gauss Defense Turret:

HP 3000

Armor 12

Base Damage 23

   Burst Rockets:

   Cooldown 15

   Range 4500

   Max Targets 4

   Damage 70

      Meson Bolt Cannon:

      Cooldown 40

      Range 8000

      Duration 60

      Armor -3

      Damage 175

Advent Beam Defense Platform:

HP 3000

Armor 12

Base Damage 20

   Synergy:

   Shields +250(Max +1000)

   Damage +13%(Max +50%)

   Max Targets 4

Do these all really seem that far apart in terms of power?  I don't.  TEC Deals a lot more damage, Advent are harder to kill, and Vasari deny HP/Shields from regenerating for a short time.  I think if someone looks into the numbers more closely, they'll find that all 3 are pretty well balanced in terms of power.  Although I wouldn't object to the ability having a 30 second cooldown if people ar still insistent.

-Twi

No Idea where to find it now, but someone had the numbers figured out for how much HP each point of armer equated to.  (That is, how much HP was saved by each point.)

The TEC Meson Bolt Cannon removes 3 points of armor for 60 seconds, and deals 175 damage per shot on top of it, with a 40 second cooldown.  Dropping armor can be just as devastating as stopping regeneration, even if it is just for Hull.  And the Vasari are the only ones capable of partially bypassing the shields given by Advent Synergy, but usually must get in range to take the extra 50% damage, which is also pretty much the same as no Regeneration due to the extra incoming dmage.  Right now, the only thing the Phase Missile Platform has going for it is  no cooldown, and the fact that the effect lasts even while outside its range.  Although technically, so does Meson Bolt, just a fifth of the Duration.

EDIT:

Found a thread with the armor numbers, and a chart posted by "unwary" :

So Meson Bolt Canon effectively reduses a unit's HP by up to 15%, or 150 HP per 1000, for 60 seconds, and deals a permanent 175 damage until regenerated if the unit survives combat.

Most late game fleets should not be out without some sort of healing unit to back them up.

TEC have Dunov and Hoshiko

Advent have Mothership and...Eh...One of their Cruisers, Subjugator I think?  Also their Light Frigate and Antimater platform for AM.

Vasari have Skirantra and...One of their Cruisers, not sure which.

And all 3 have repair platforms, as well as other abilities I'm sure I'm forgetting.

The Disruptor Nanites ability says it removes PASSIVE regeneration, not healing from other sources.  If it isn't allowing ANYTHING through, this may be a bug that's been overlooked, not an out of line ability.  This is based on the description of what the ability says it does.

-Twi

@ twi

okay so lets say your main fleet targets have been hit by these turrets.

you ONLY have your healer units to heal your primary ships back to health, as they are unable to passively regen anything.

So, this makes it so that the vasari player just has to focus down your healing units, or they can just brute force your primary units much easier as well.  Not having passive regen really does make its far easier to kill your units.

This ability still allows healing(so therefore not bugged), yet that is not the issue at all.

a 30 second debuff is much more reasonable, as it will be refreshed constantly while a ship is under direct fire from the turret.

If your fleet retreats you won't have a 5 min debuff on your main ships, and it will fade away like it should. 

5 min is a very long time in most fleet fights, and one turret can spell doom for your caps/titans recovery time.

Yes, one turret hit from one of these makes it so a titan 1v1 encounter of equal levels is heavily in the favor of the vasari player for 5 min.

one dinky turret having that much of an effect on titan balance is pretty OP, considering titan balance is critical to the game.

I've noticed you're picking a lot of things apart, Seleuceia, but no suggestions.  How would you suggest the ability be changed?  I suggested adding a 30 second cooldown.

I would also support a lowered duration(As low as 60 seconds)

or making the ability an outright passive aura effecting everything in range, until it gets out of range.  With enough turrets to make a difference, it wouldn't really be a major thing for any of these to be implemented.

-Twi

I even gave it its own paragraph...I don't know how I can be more clear about how I want this ability to be changed....

Passive aura is bad idea...I once tried an ability that did passive regen disablement as an AoE for 15s bursts and found it to be ridiculously OP....it should only affects the ships hit by the turrets, which would be mainly caps and titans...

duration changed to 30 seconds works just as well, imo.  2 min is a long time, and it gets refreshed every hit.  people don't usually primary turrets anyways, so its not like it won't be getting good use in a fight