Don't mind the range but I would prefer the damage reduced so its not an instant fleet killer. Love the Idea of adding an EMP Effect. I would even be ok with keeping the damage, reducing the range of the damage and then having an EMP hit the entire Gravwell for 60 secs or something...

Really its 6 of one and a Half Dozen of the Other. You can have a High range with lower damage to balance or you can have lower range and high power. The problem is we currently have both. I favor high range and lower power so that Starbases stay relevant. When you can steer your entire fleet around the range of a static defense, then the static defense is essentially meaningless. I would prefer for the Starbase to be meaningful without being over powered.

Nothing Wrong with Red Button. Just be cautious when attacking an TEC Starbase in late game.

A good spam of Bombers or Torpedos should finish the job fine, with causing minimum casuties. I just usally skip the planet and go to the next one as the reason for hiding behind a starbase is becuase they cannot defend without it. Always scout the next planet however, as they tend to Starbase the next planet close to the phase line to red button you when you jump in.

Indicators to stay away from an Tec Starbase with Red Button:

Fleet is situated further away from Starbase

Fleet is running away from starbase when you come into contact with it

The more skillful the player, the more likely they have it

BRB OP?

ur worrying about BRB when AR have wail?

OP trolling or stupid

I wont fall into the trap of fail logic... "advent have gargantuanly OP wail therefore the "back then" OP BRB wasnt OP"

(as so many seem to with "dont nerf wail! how are we to defend against jumping orkies and PMs?!")

OH WAIT! thats exactly the kind of logic that SD seems to apply, or maybe its just manatees in a pool choosing balls labeled "NERF" "BRB" "LEAVE WAIL".

I hope its the manatees for SD sake, otherwise they are employing and PAYING (LOL WTF!) people who have the collective common sense of said manatees.

Lol....looks like someone is trying to replace Qu4r....

I was merely pointing out what seems obvious, rather than dealing with the huge elephant in the room of balancing that is jumping orkies, VR titan, maw, and wail, SD seems to focus on things like slight nerfs to ragnarov, a superweapon cap, the above mentioned slight range nerf to BRB, even the buff of the AR titan.

do ya feel me?! these last four things PALE in comparison to the big balance issues, advents weakness would be best solved by fixing these big issues first, THEN when things are roughly right can you do these small tweak changes.

Its kinda like pouring a bucket of water on the burning letter box of a fkn house thats burning to the ground!

So please forgive me for indulging in a little (if slightly bitter) satire in the face of this bungling? stupidity? ignorance? which word best applies here? maybe they all do.

again sorry for the cliche but, im just calling it as i see it, happy for someone to change my mind

so....

Anyone here who seriously thinks that SD has applied common sense to balancing issues...

please stand up

I want to know if you actually exist.

Really? you think they balanced SB mobilisation?

and you call me a noob...

I agree totally with you, especially about there being countless threads on how to balance jumping orkies (ie: no excuse SD!) but my beef is with SD allocation of time/resources/prioritisation. If that patch had just fixed jumping orkies, VR titan, sttc  PROPERLY and nothing else it would have been;

1. more of a success than than the current patch is, making VR and VL playable in MP

(VR certainly isnt, VL really pushing it)

2. A more effective 'springboard' to install future patches rather than buffing races to balance with already OP features.

(the AR titan buff with wail seems to be an attempt to counter vasari OPness instead of just fixing vas OPness)

seleuceia...WHAT the HELL do you think you are doing?! Not trolling and all that! Are you out of your mind?! 

Anyway, I like to play as the VR more than any other race, not even because of the starbase, but because of the awesome techs+ships and their titan is quite nice as well. And ofcourse, I use the starbase in my games but it's not like I rush for em, and the damage reduction from a warp with the starbase is unnoticed really.

I still think VL should get the jumping orky, and that they may have only their capital left or no planets do they want it to be jump able(after researching a tech) so they are truly an empire in ships flying around.(Since VR rebels are pretty much camping against their followers, why would they get jumping starbases...)

PS: I play against AI 

Yeah I think Seleuciea said what a lot of people were thinking, they just didn't realize it

I agree with sel here

I've been on a multi-year crusade to improve the QA that is provided via these forums.  I've done it to see if it is actually possible in the online forum medium.  I've rarely seen a game forum that was productive in this regard, so this is a social experiment of sorts, for my own ends.  What i've learned mirror's seleucia's own analysis.  The developers have to provide effective communication to get effective feedback.  It cannot work effectively if players try to guess what they need and then do nothing.  That being said, I haven't exhausted all my efforts, and I hold out that some things might eventually convince the devs to action.  I've had a few small victories here and there, enough to warrant that the developers have actually read a few of the walls o' text i've written.

Currently my own game idea is growing along with my design skills and I want to see how effective crowd sourcing is in practice via a forum.  I've also been closely following Infinity: The Quest for Earth for observation/inspiration, as that project is amazing in scope, yet one wonders if it will EVER ship.  This is an interesting time to be an aspiring designer, as the floodgates have been opened, and those who are diligent have a LOT of options in the field.  

Game players are becoming game designers, the next generation of designers has a lot more tools the old guard never had.  The old guard did the tough job of making gaming legitimate in a lot of ways(kudos), now the new guard is prepped to make games the world has never seen before, minus the imposed artistic limits of a money focused industry.  All I can say is that its a good time to be a designer in the USA.

It'll be nice to shake up an industry that's going stale using the same gimmicks.  I don't include starclad in this overall view of the industry however.  

The apocalypse draws near. The end is nigh people, better grab yourself that girl / boy / alien you always wanted to make love to and spend the money you have left on building a bomb shelter in your basement!