Welcome to the bomber hell. Still say because of this you need to arm the ships with flak weapons. We can do that now.

its even more potent to upgrade flak cannons, hulls specially going against vasari and shields and also spam the heck out of perchelon fighters.

Vasari bombers are also harder to deal with than the other two races as they're the only ones that can survive two shots by flak burst (though just barely)

Not to mention they have phase missiles so they melt capitalships much faster then either other race's bombers.

I have it. Rage quitting. 

60% of the time it works all the time.

Never have an issue with bombers as TEC myself. My friend tends to spam them and heavy cruisers, they're yet to do too much damage to me as I just build more flak frigates to begin with.

Flak burst definitely needs more power though; it should be able to take out most of a fleet of Vasari bombers too.

Everyone has this problem. Only the Advent with Telekenetic push can maybe avoid it, but its really not enough in many cases. Phasic trap makes them invulnerable so you're just delaying the first wave, which can be a crucial thing if you can stall long enough to win but doesn't fix the problem.

Bombers are only counter to AoE titans. You can't nerf them directly or indirectly without making late game even more titan-centric. There are other balance reasons not to nerf bombers in regards to turtling, RB and such but let's not dwell into that now.

Agreed. There are so many titans with powerful anti-ship skills, bombers are normally the only way to kill them.

I always call it "Flak Aura". And it still can do nothing to weaken the first wave of attack.

What I mean is not to turn the tide with only several Caps - it's unfair just considering how much resource 100 carriers cost, comparing to 3 or 5 Caps.

The problem is, TEC has no way to delay it. If one player build many ships, the first wave can be weakened by an attack of SCs. But if he mass SC out, TEC has no means to weaken the first wave. Even 3 or 4 seconds can be valuable, but now none for TEC.

Flak Burst really hurts, but it can only punish the criminals after his fleet is raped by the bombers.

Since when cap ship abilities are supposed to COUNTER frigates/cruisers? Flak bust is v. good support for your fighters/flak. It's not meant to rape thousads of SC by itself. Caps are support. Yeah, they are.

BTW TK push blows vs bombers.

Just let flak burst decrease their accuracy slightly for 5 seconds and let the debuff stack so that multiple Kols can do a better job at defense.

I think you are trolling...in fact I know you are, but let me get my dead horse beatin' stick anyway...

First consider the usability of each ability:

• Flak burst has range of 3000 (lvl 1) to 4140 (lvl 4)....TK push has range of 4000...
• Flak burst has cooldown times of 12 (lvl 1) to 7 (lvl 4) with an average of ~9...TK push has cooldown of 10...
• Flak burst has AM cost of 100...TK push has AM cost of 90 and is on a ship with better AM reserves/regen...

Now let us consider the effects of each ability:

• Flak burst does 30 (lvl 1) to 69 (lvl 4) damage...TK push does 20 (lvl 1) to 46 (lvl 4) damage...
• TK push actually pushes SC away and disrupts bombing runs - note that TK push (range 4000) outranges bomber weapons (range 2400)...
• TK push slows down affected SC for 15 seconds

In terms of usability, TK push has a clear advantage at lower levels...it has much greater range and a better or comparable cooldown...at higher levels, the usability of each ability is fairly comparable...flak burst can be used quicker and has marginally better range...however, TK push uses less AM and is on a cap with more AM reserves, AM regen, and 2 passive abilities (so nothing else is competing with that AM)...

Personally, I say TK push has better usability...it's clearly better at lower levels, and is barely beat at the higher levels...furthermore, it is more AM friendly lending to greater utility in long, drawn out battles (not that attrition really matters much when it comes to bombers)...

In terms of raw power, TK push only does 2/3 the damage of flak burst...however, it disrupts bombing runs completly (as in, you can prevent SC from hitting parts of your fleet for short windows of time) which is useful even if you only have one Halcyon...flak burst meanwhile only does raw damage, and without 2 kols it's utility is severely diminished...

Needs to last longer than 5 seconds, and shouldn't bank on stacking...no capital ship ability should depend on you having the same ship with the same ability...

I personally liked having a periodic action ability with much greater range and a heafty accuracy penalty (I think I used 15% or so?)...while it initially seems bad, the damage overtime combined with the greater range made one instance of the ability more dangerous...of course, I haven't played with it recently and I had bombers slated with a slightly different balance of power...but anyway, it was cool to see constant looking of the flak burst effect...

ROFL. Finally proof you don't know what you're talking about. That's 1600 difference. You know how long it takes for a bomber to travel that distace? If you leave TK on autocast it will activate too late and you will take full bomber volley. You can try microing it, but GL with that. You would know it if you actually played the game. In reality, bomber range>TK push range.

Look at the whole picture. Anyone with half a brain will FF caps. Halcyon will die in few  bomber passes. Kol can take a beating, especially in defensive position (60hp/s reps, hoshikos). Not to mention it benefits from upgrades so much more. Halcyon CAN'T take hits, even surrounded by repair platforms. This is so typical, throwing random numbers around and ignoring the context.

This is what pisses  me out about modders. Look up the numbers, compare 2 abilities, and there, conclusion! Unfortunately, it's a bit more complex than that. You need to put it in the game context. Or, you know, launch the game once in a while.

I was talking about bombers. TK push tears fighters apart.