actually technology does matter. in empire strikes back when the falcon dissapears the ship captain goes "no ship that small has a cloacking device!!"

whereas in star trek they cloak tiny mines as early as the 22nd century. so the entire imperial starfleet would be taken out by self replicating mines.

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No, I haven't heard of Mosby's Raiders. The problem is that you're assuming that the Federation can create ordnance that has any chance of harming Imperial warships, or that the Empire would conveniently concentrate themselves where the Feds would be able to engage them in a fleet battle.

It's far more likely that the Empire would concentrate in force where Starfleet presence is low or nonexistent. It's also far more likely that Starfleet will be highly distributed; strikes on outlying, relatively unimportant colonies would either force Starfleet to disperse, attempting to protect everything, or cluster around the most strategically important sites and risk the enormous political fallout that will entail.

I doubt the Federation will hold together all that well if they defend only the most vital of colonies and all of their main assets, as the rest of the astrographic polity will likely secede in order to avoid being a target for Imperial retribution. After all, why should they be a part of the Federation, that's under attack, when they're just a backwater that Starfleet doesn't care about?

The biggest, erroneous assumption you make is that the Federation can rapidly marshal together enough ships and firepower to bring together a situation akin to the Spanish Armada dying from a thousand cuts. The disparity in firepower is just too great. You also ignore the fact that Imperial anti-fighter defenses aren't truly challenged by fightercraft, because said craft are no threat to the Imperial capital ships anyways. Further, you ignore the fact that significant EWAR is conducted during Imperial engagements, and we haven't seen a whole lot that suggests that ST powers ever use anything even resembling EWAR capabilities.

There's also the slight fact that most fighters are capable of outrunning capital ships in straightline acceleration. Case in point- the Eta-2 Actis interceptors, used by Anakin and Obi-Wan in the opening scene of EP3, can do a hefty 5200 G's of acceleration. It's also known that they are very maneuverable. The tradeoff is that the Eta-2 is an unshielded fighter, but that's not the point; it's agile, it's very fast, but the only real reason it can avoid anti-fighter fire is because of the fact that Anakin and Obi-Wan are Jedi, and have precognitive combat skills. Even then, a Vulture droid was still able to get a pair of Buzz Droid missiles to hit Obi-Wan's fighter.

You're also ignoring the fact that there is canon evidence that a Star Destroyer, such as the Imperial-class, can actually shoot down fighter-sized proton torpedoes. Keep in mind that said fighter-sized proton torps are a quite a bit smaller and more agile than photorps; a 72,000g turn into the DS1's thermal vent; said vent is a 2-meter diameter hole, and two proton torpedoes handily fit through it.

I'd thought it'd be obvious. Say what you're holding your tongue about man!

Due to the vast technological disparity between the Empire and the Federation, in my opinion, the Federation's only hope for survival is to ally with the Alliance and the New Republic, depending on when the crossover occurs. Otherwise, the Federation will probably crumble in such a dire scenario like the New Republic did during the Yuuzhan Vong War. The tremendous differences in weapons yield between Wars and Trek tech just aren't meant to coexist.

ILM did the visual effects for some of the Star Trek films, going all the way back to Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, along with some work on TNG. This is why First Contact has a YT-1300 light freighter from the Special Editions, i.e. the Millennium Falcon, as an easter egg in the Battle of Sector 001.

WRT ILM, I did not know that! That's funny that ST:FC has a YT-1300 easter egg.

Protip: remove other people's quotes from a post your quoting. Makes it much neater.

WRT the arguments and stuff, I can do it because I, in some ways, live&breath the debate. I am a member, and regularly read, a board that was founded to refute the most ridiculous of Trekkie fanboy claims during the heyday of the debate.

However, I'll note that the laser effects on Fed shields can be easily explained. In the case of "lasers won't even penetrate our navigational deflector!", then Riker (the speaker in this case), was most likely referring to "lasers [of that yield] won't even penetrate our navigational deflector!". While in the other case you mention, it could be a special type of laser (such as a xraser or graser, firing x-ray and gamma-ray beams, respectively), or it could be lasers of a particularly potent yield.

Though what is actually stupid is Trekkies who claim that Turbolaser=Laser. Just because laser is in "turbolaser". It's like calling an artillery piece or a tank main gun a "cannon", and then saying that it fires grapeshot; we do it because that's a term that's become general usage for large-caliber gunnery weapons, rather than the original short-ranged broadside and field artillery guns that were used in the Civil War era and prior.

Funny thing about DS1's design flaw- it was actually a valid method of solving the thermal issue of the platform; it just happened to be a design choice that was very exploitable by a at-this-point-in-SW-time very rare group of individuals. Though you're correct in that there are people who argue based on obscure or overly stretched interpretations of dialogue or the script. In fact, there's one who comes to mind: Robert Scott Anderson.

The guy's a textbook case of fanboy turned up to OVER 9000 (had to put that for laughs, though it's ironically quite accurate). He's a hardcore TREK=GOD person, who has actually built up his own interpretation of SW and ST canon, and has argued about ST and SW canon with the people who actually decide what is/is not ST/SW canon! I'm not kidding, either. If you want to know more, check out this link.

Then came the spies...

It's Commander Sheridan from Babylon 5, Colonel O'Neil from Stargate SG-1 and Picard and the Doctor you know.

Of course the Doctor is the engineer of their plan and your Empire is doooomed.

The problem is that the Doctor is the only one who could have any ability to pass as an Imperial officer. The other three all have this thing called "morals", which are usually lacking to some degree or another in an actual Imperial officer.

And I've already conceded that the Doctor could take down the Empire. He's a bloody Time Lord, after all.

Not really. You see, I fully understand that the Time Lords could whip the Empire. There was never any debate or doubt WRT that.

OTOH, I fully understand that no Trek power, even if the entire Trek galaxy allied together, could stand up to the Empire.

wrong again idiot. if the empire can't defeat catapults and gliders built by idiots, its not gonna be able to defeat a dog with a horn on it.