Goodmorning All,


Regarding Winner Takes All:

the proposed system does not allow for many tactically important options. 

Garrilla warfare.: for example were 100 units take on 10,000 over 25 game turns by hitting supply lines, or pegging off 10 -20 troops with archery then 'vanishing'.  

Reinforcements: My front line comes under attack, but my backup is 4 turns away from the castle that is being seiged. . . . If the defending force is strong enough to 'hold' the ground 4 battle aught be able tocarry over for those 4 turns. 

A battle would be  N battle rounds, after words both sides would pause the battle and finish the turn. They could at that time back on the world map call for a retreat, or maintain the fight (if called for a retreat given a estimation of how many troops they will loose in dis-engading.).   If during that next turn before the battle round's begin New troops arrive, they would Join the fight as re-inforcments. 


You could even keep track of how many world map moves an army has.  Say 10.   if they Move 5 steps before arriving at the battle  when the battle is being calculated those troops would  arrive on battle turn  (N/2) as reinforcements on the battlefield.

 If it's two men in one man out,  this isn't possible, and that would be a pitty'  IMO

Takecare

Robbie.Price

After reading about WEGO it does seem intriguing.  i do hope that they bring in multiturn battles.  maybe have all combat happen at the end of a turn?  not really sure how the turn system works however.

WEGO -WEGO-WEGO!

I am totally good with TBS vs RTS in the intial release. If there is a patch with WEGO, that will truly make this game epic. I have been waiting for two weeks with baited breath (and since I live in the US gulf coast, and it is hot, and right now is shrimp and crawdad season, stinky!) for the Beta 2.

I still think the points of this thread should be broken out with polls and individual threads on each topic. This thread (thing) has a life of its own. Too broad to be useful at this point. Besides, it sidetracks the real question. "Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering?"

WEGO is the latest buzz phrase, updated from 'simultaneous turns' in TBS.

Frog, I understand you've redone tac battles and eaten the time/resources/expenses to do so, but something like simultaneous turns is pretty huge, and I would argue worth further delay to get it into release.

It's a big change and has a big effect, not just on MP but SP too.

Heck, I'd kick in another $5 for simultaneous turn TBS at release.

This is a good example where involving players earlier in your next game might be a benefit 

And testing, I can test!

What kind of beer do you guys like?    *heads off to store so as to be able to put his beer $ where programmer's mouths are *

Is the tactical system usable in MP or only for single player?

We could also mod WEGO for the strategic part too. Wouldn't that be a mess!

Yes. I can see no reason, other than someone seriously F'd up (not likely) it is a "In Stone" decision.

Word is, we can Mod it in...

That can be great too.   It is evident in AOWSM (simultaneous turn (ST)) that there are disappointments for some when playing MP games, where the MP also strangely devolve to who click faster.....

However, ST is good enough on strategic map.   I am not trying to ask for that much.

You know...I would love to see an innovation in the modding "business" where we had more liberties to program.   I don't know how that would work, with IP protection, licensing and all.   I'm just pointing that out.  I would love to see software engines where you could inherit C++ objects and derive your own classes for certain things, like events.  Like Galciv2, to be able to create your own items up for UP vote. 

I'm thinking of the game Nethack, which was the most awesome mod-happy game ever (it was, admittedly, open source).  I modded that game myself, but it sure was spaghetti code.  Everybody was coding special cases for everything.  And then MUDs, which basically obsoleted Nethack and were even more awesome.  That provided a layer of interpreted code which let wizards code stuff, but only the server administrator could recompile (thus mod) the driver.  MUD was the predecessor of MMORPG's, which basically closed it all off again (but added graphics, distributed servers, data replication, etc.).  But MUD itself was basically a combination of the Eamon series with the Internet, and Eamon was also an awesome mod-happy game series. 

I wish there was a good way to cross the community the modding community forms--with amateurs who basically know how to program but just for fun on their spare time--with the stuff the pros do, like the graphics, the networking, the masterminds, QA, etc..  They're full-time, so they need to get paid.  Plus when you're modding, all hope of QA is off.  Warlords II let you mod the heck out of it, but the mods were all unbalanced and sucked.

Heh, I am strongly against the WEGO combat system for vanilla EWoM. [I will try out the WEGO mod of course, just to compare the 2 systems in action.] I am pretty sure that the current system [tile/turn based] is much better for a game like EWoM, but maybe this is just a subjective stuff. I think that the vast majority of the potential "buyers" are expecting to have a turn based combat system in the vanilla game.

WEGO: "In simultaneously-executed games (also called "phase-based" or "We-Go"), turns are separated into two distinct phases: decision and execution. During the decision phase each player plans and determines his units' actions. The decision phase occurs at the same time for everyone, so there is little wait for anyone to finish. In the execution phase, all players' decisions are put into action, and these actions are performed more or less automatically and at the same time. The execution phase is non-interactive, and there is no waiting for other players to complete their turns."

Basically yes, it is turn based. I don't like that it's separated into two phases, and I especially don't like that the execution phase is totally automatic/non-interactive. To be honest I don't like the whole system.

I am not saying that it's a bad system. I don't like it, because I think that a real turn based or the tile/turn based systems are much better for a game like EWoM.