The first one or the 100th one?

Well Nitro, flat out - your bias rules you. You live in some fantasy world where librals are out to get America. What you don't see is that we are just as much americans as you are. Liberals also love the country, liberals also want to see her work, liberals are just as patriotic as you are.

But you just won't ever get that - as shown by your comments.

~AJ

You left out Japan the UK, and Panama. Those oil wels in Japan are brining in a lot of oil almose as much as the ones in Germany!

And if we were doing this for oil how come the prices keep going up?

I've worked with liberals in both the military and in defense industries, I would hardly call them un-American. Maybe it's just you...if you can't interpret the dialog, maybe you shouldn't try to sit at the big boys table. Now don't you have some quasi-socialist book to read or function to attend?

This is actually a good teaching moment.  If liberals could be taught.  The answer is simple if you use your brain instead of talking points.

I've dealt with maybe thousands of snot nosed kids, that didn't have a father tell them right from wrong. You're not much different despite what you think. I can tell dozens of stories about people that would be a mirror image of what you show on this site. Some eventually grew up, some didn't, those were the ones that failed. Maybe they found someone to coddle them, maybe not. I was just glad that their co-workers didn't have to pull these folks slack as well as their own anymore. You want everyone to walk a mile in your shoes, well I don't look good in pumps, sorry. I can give a damn whether you listen to what I say or not, no skin off my ass. Quite frankly, I'm tried of your "type", you know better and nobody can tell you any different, unless they are telling you what you want to hear. Get some life experience than come back and have a conversation. If you don't want to hear what I have to say, don't respond to my comments, it really that simple. Yet somehow I doubt many things are simple in your life.

I said "that didn't have a father tell them", I didn't say "fatherless". I really don't care to know your history, it may be relevant to forming  your behavior, but we just have the final product to deal with, don't we. 

"Second, I ask that during the time between that you take a second and stand in our shoes, if you would." - AJ January 9, 2010 8:47:43 PM

Not me personally, but I used "everyone" subjectively. There are other examples if you care to look, but if you can't even remember what you write the same day, why bother.

Sorry to tell you this Nitro, but you're not always right

Kindly show me where I have said I was always right.

I do want to concede, and apologize for something that just came to mind - my temper. I just have no tolerence for people who tend to be asses, stir shit, etc. Quite frankly Nitro, that is all you've shown yourself to be (to me at least).

No need to apologize. Anyone can say "F- you...I'm sorry". Do what I do, if you don't mean it don't say it. Then there is nothing to be sorry about. Sorry doesn't impress me much. Thought prior to action does.

 Since you're the only person to openly complain about my interaction with them, I'd have to say it's all in your head. It an easy fix that I mentioned in post 87 for you, unless deep down you crave someone to tell you straight the way it is. Either way no problem.

I really do apologize for my temper, it's something I still work on frequently. If you don't accept my apology, then that's fine.

One of the bigger problems I have with you is your taking many of my comments out of context. I mean my gawd, if you don't understand (dogma or not) what I'm trying to say - just ask me. Likewise, I will make a greater attempt to understand what you mean.

Frankly, I don't care if you're straight up with me, or if you're rationally/reasonably critical of me - but the problem is you don't come of as that. 

I don't know why I keep replying to you. I know that most likely, nothing will get anywhere - no matter my explaining my points or not. You're just going to keep on being who you are. I'm spinning my wheels.

Now again, I ask, what am i doing wrong? You've said I've got issues (hah, don't we all) - so what are they?

Which I took as meaning either the father was there and didn't raise them right, or that they didn't have a father figure - which was my case. I'm sorry, I apparently read too far into it.

You've implied it through your words, tone, etc. I could be wrong, but it's what I've seen from my pov. If I'm wrong, then my bad.

So now you're crticizing me because I defered to you on this? Wtf? My bad, I can't read your mind. I figured I would ask you and not be the "know-it-all" that you think I am.

~Nitro~

That reference was my suggestion to, i believe, charles, to try to offer an insight into the mindset of many of the homosexual people that i've talked to, and those whose comments I've read and interacted with (etc).

As for "putting my shoes on" - it was used in two different ways. 1. Yeah it would be nice once in a while for you to pull your head out and actually take someone else's point of view for a second or two just so maybe you actually understand what they ARE saying - not what meaning you put into their words.

Not asking for concession to my point of view, god forbid. It's just that I've tried explaining my points to you in fairly reasonable terms - and you continue to twist them. You don't even fucking ask questions, you always assume you know what I mean. I know I'm not the greatest when it comes to clarity - it's something else I work on. I don't know, maybe that's your rub. 

It just would be nice, for once, to have you say "Hey, I think you're saying XYZ. Am I right?" Instead of "Oh you men ABC," or "Oh you're just a typical liberal." Really? Come on.  '

I do admit though that at times I'm bullheaded in conceding points - but you know - despite that, I still do concede most things. I've told you i'm open to being wrong despite my beliefs. I don't know if you see that, but it's there.

It's ridiculous really, but it's your life nitro - not mine. I just hope it is a good one for you, I truly do.

Apparently you, because regardless of my coherency or not, you tend to miss my point. If you don't know something or don't understand something - you ask. Gee, my grandmother taught me that.

Then take classes in reading comprehension, maybe? I try to be as coherent as possible, but maybe you need to

 (What is funny is that you and two others here, on this site, are the only ones that have issues with my coherency.)

Well, unfortunately you're not doing so well in that area - in my opinion.

Hey, you're the one that brought up my "needing to have everyone fit in my shoes." All I did was explain to you what I meant, which you seemd to not understand...again.

Awww, of course. You know me, a typical evil liberal, always looking out for others! (That was sarcasm btw)

~AJ

baby is a multi-sylable word.  Careful with those Nitro.

There is no such thing as luck, it either happens or doesn't based on who's doing their work and who isn't. It didn't happen during Bush's Administration after 9/11 but so far we have seen 1 successful attack at the base and one almost successful (thanks to his stupidity) attempt on a plane and both had plenty of intel to have stopped both before happening.

It's interesting to note how so many people cry about the bad intel that supposely led to war in Iraq (WMD) yet we have legit intel on 2 terrorist attacks and we did nothing and the crybabies don't cries about that.

Not only does AJ take the current topic and change it to what he thinks it's really about, but he also gets mad when people don't understand or misunderstand what he says; throw in him having to defend every post he makes and (while entertaining) the article turns into a "me, I and myself" defense article.

AJ is too sensitive with his beliefs and opinions and to be honest is very weak when it comes to standing by his replies and he likes using that "I don't want to come off as a know-it-all" comments he makes quite often. I say you either stick by your beliefs, post comments with assurance, don't be so sensitive and stop making excuse or maybe you might want to site at the little kids table.

AJ, you say Liberals are just as much Americans as we are and you know what? That's true. But you need to accept that just like you disagree with what we say that opinions from Liberals will also be dissected and criticized and when you believe in "A" (A as in your opinions) you may not find yourself accepting "B" (B as in opposing opinions) and finding those who believe in "B" to be incorrect and maybe even stupid. The same can be said about those who believe in "B".

But ask yourself this. Why is it that Liberals and Conservatives or Democrats and Republicans seem to always be at odds with just about every issue this country faces? How come we can't agree on at least 1 issue? And most of all, ask yourself this. Why won't people from either side give an inch without asking for something else in return? While I could say Republicans and Conservatives can give in once in a while to show we can work with Democrats and Liberals, how come I never see that same kind of talk from the other side? How come this Administration seems to be running full steam ahead on Democratic fuel only while no one seems to think there is something wrong about this, this is not how our Gov't was meant to be run? You say we are all Americans, then how come this Administration seem to thinks only Democratic opinions are worth listening too?