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dabe

Join Date 09/2003

I hate the GOP leadership

How are we going to survive 4 more years?

Yesterday,s New York Times editorial was about the GOP leadership looking to cut, and possibly eliminate the Pell Grants that enable poor and worthy people to get a higher education Link . Now that the election is over, all holds previously barred are unbarred, including these massive strikes in Iraq, and the raping of our society here. The massive rout in Iraq was necessary, I suppose, given that we allowed the insurgents to run off with all the weapons, and then had to go find them to prevent a lot of future bombings. But still, we've destroyed a city to get them back. We've killed lots of people to get them back. What a major screw up.

But, back to the Pell Grants......... were it not for the grants, I would not have been able to go back to school. It would have just been totally beyond my reach. I was on welfare at the time, back in the late 1970's and '80's. I had a dipshit husband and two kids. Welfare sustained us, though I knew it wasn't how I wanted to fashion my entire life. I knew I needed to go back to school, or I really was going to spend the rest of my life on welfare or low-paying, non-sustaining jobs. I needed more, not just for the money, but also for my intellectual growth, and my self asteem. So, I applied for Pell Grants, was approved, and went to college. With the two kids, ten years, and additional student loans, I got my professional degree, a Bachelors of Landscape Architecture. I subsequently took the 3-day, misery making licensing exam, passed and now am a gainfully employed person.

I now make almost $80K/year, of which a substantial chunk goes to taxes. So, instead of supporting me on a sub-subsistence living for my entire life, the Pell Grants have enabled me to be a contributor to the general economy of this country. The Pell Grants worked for me and thousands and thousands of other low income individuals, allowing us to give back to the government over and over and over what they gave to us. In other words, by not paying into a significant program now, we will all pay through the nose later in the added costs to society, and the loss in future revenues. In fact, though, the cost to fund the Pell Grants is chump change compared to what the feds spend in overall budget expenditures. There is absolutely no savings worth a damn to be made by cutting these grants. It's short sighted bullshit.

This is sickening. And, adding insult to injury, the GOP leadership and all they misguided followers want to reduce, if not eliminate entirely, the entire welfare program. What the fuck are people supposed to do? How does giving tax breaks to people at the top going to stimulate the economy, when at the same time they are proposing to take away any assistence at the bottom. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that more and more people have become homeless, lost health insurance, and educational benefits under this oppressive GOP leadership crap, and are losing more and more of any hope of ever moving up. More and more people resort to drugs and crime, as poverty doesn't really allow much else, and the solution....... build more prisons to house the poverty stricken, outsource the adminstration and maintenance of them so corporations make tons of money on them from, yup, you guessed it, Uncle Sam. Or, should I say "Uncle Scam"? The far reaching ramificatations of defunding such a simple program is huge and wide spread.

I hate the GOP. I hate them so freakin' much. They are the most selfish, self-serving, short sighted, stupid, did I say selfish and self serving, ignorant assholes. No holds barred from me. I will continue to fight this crap for as long as it takes to unseat these assholes. I hate the leadership and I hate the people who support them. They are an insult to society at large.

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"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
To: Evorg
John F. Kennedy, key word Kennedy, some Rupublican? Please.

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dabe, in all sincerity, i really appreciate your true concern for your fellow U.S. citizens. regardless of what i consider myself to be, democrat or repuplican, i am tired of our government placing prioity in the constant investment (whether socially, economically, morally, etc.), in the backyards of other countries over its own citizens. i am often unsure how we can possibly assist countries with their problems, when there is so much to concentrate on here.

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Thanks, DNCdude. It's nice to know I'm not a lone voice in this wilderness called joeuser. I'm trying to relax, and I know that they will eventually hang themselves, but I just don't want them to hang me first.

As for the Kennedy quote, I knew that. Ridiculous that it, along with the other quotes, was raised to argue my points. Sheesh...............

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Not to be too picky, dabe, but you're upset with the "old" Congress, the lame duck bunch, the one with the 51-49 Repub majority, the one with Daschle, the one with so much GOP control that none of Bush's judicial nominees got approved, the one that balked at passing the intelligence reform bill.

Nice too see a republican(apoligies if you are not such) who recognizes Tom Daschle. For such a moral crowd not a single republican showed up to hear his fairwell speech to the senate after serving as senater for the past 18 years. And AMEN good he resisted the Bush judicial appointments! Theres hope yet that there will yet be a balance of power between parties! As to "the one that balked at passing the intelligence reform bill" if I recall correctly (which I do) President Bush would rather not have had the 9/11 commision hearings that brought about that bill and that it was senate republicans such as Bill Frist who turned down that bill.

Sincerely,
DNCdude

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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People on the left keep repeating this tired complaint that President Bush "didn't want" or "would rather not have had" the 9/11 commission hearings. It's in the nature of things that people will jump to that conclusion when they are prejudiced against him to start with. There were legitimate issues as to the scope of the inquiry that needed to be addressed. The Commission was established, did a thorough job, the President has embraced and supported the findings and recommendations, and all the left wants to harp on is his alleged reluctance to have a Commission. There is also this apparent assumption out there that the intelligence reform bill was perfection itself and should have just been passed without even being read. Well, ain't quite so. I'd rather they get it right and if that means sending it back to committee for further work, so be it.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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True after the commitee was established the President did embrace the suggestions and yes the bill was not perfect but what ever is? If there is any chance in that the bill would in any way help to secure the American homeland then it should have been passed. A moments hesitation can make a world of difference for good or bad.

Sincerely,
DNCdude

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Just checking. Thanks dabe.

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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As for the apparent lack of urgency, I'm with you DNCdude. It shouldn't take us three years to do this. But if there are identifiable flaws that could be truly counterproductive, they should be fixed.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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Daiwa, this isn't about jumping to conclusions. It's a fact. Bush fought the creation of the commission. He did not want anything relative to the intellegence failures investigated. When the outcry for an investigation became really loud, and fighting it put him into a bad political light, he finally agreed. It was merely a political decision on his part, rather than any desire to learn from the mistakes made, be they the intelligence itself, or the administration's use of such intelligence. And, that's where the debate really comes in.

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Just checking. Thanks dabe.

Welcome, Heather.

For those of you who havent' figured it out yet, the Pell Grant debate continues in Heather's blog, Pell Grant Response Link">Link because I inadvertently blacklisted her from mine, to which I do apologize.

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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The current bill in the HOR is dreadful. Look at the details my friends. The 9/11 commission has a lot of recommendations but the bill currently up for vote has details that would be very bad for our national security. The specific bone of contention is that satellite surveilence would be turned over to this new group and away from the military. I think that's a deal killer.

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Strange I don't if you haven't cared to notice the the pentagon wants the CIA the CIA wants the pentagon, Perhaps switching control of somethings will ensure the two will work together therefore increasing our likelyhood of stopping terrorist threats.
Sincerely,
DNCdude

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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9/11 was not caused by faulty satellite recon. The military is concerned about having to go through layers in order to get the latest field surveilence.

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9/11 was not caused by faulty satellite recon.

No it wasn't but none the less it could be a factor in finding threats quickly. May hap both agencies have control over sattelites, this may of course result in schedules and that of course could be a fatal delay but I think if we look into it and explore the possibilities it would become more realistic.

Sincerely,
DNCdude

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Draginol

Join Date 03/2001

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The miltiary is using satellite recon NOW. TODAY. It's a mission critical issue. There has to be a very legitimate reason to switch it over other than political warm fuzzies.

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Boy you really "explored the possibilities" didn't you! Yes I realize that the Military is using its satelites. But is it not even remotly possible to you that the CIA could have uses for them as well?

Sincerely,
DNCdude

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"The specific bone of contention is that satellite surveilence would be turned over to this new group and away from the military."

No the bill was pulled because the compromises pulled some immigration and asylum clauses out and also because the pentagon doesn't want to lose their budgetary control of intelligence spending to politicians.

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