Guys, why are you attacking the poster? It's a reasonable request, even if in the end it is not a good idea. I think what you guys are saying can be civilly put as follows: "Sorry, I know it's frustrating to play a premade as a PUG, but it's not feasible right now because lack of team automatching makes premades vs. premades hard to arrange." Not "quit bitching and get some friends, noob". Way to build a gaming community. LOL. It is in *everyone's* interest to keep players interested in the game, if you want expansions and further support down the line.
Hasslehoff, the fact is, you can't depend on any host advertising premade matches. You have to get smart about it and learn to figure out whether a game is premade in the lobby. Here are some ways to tell if it's a premade:
1. Check the rankings and look at past games lists of the host. It really only takes a minute, and you can see if people in the lobby have been playing with the same host over and over again. Keep in mind though, that many people play both premades and PUG. Keep in mind also that sometimes when a PUG wins a game, the host immediately rehosts and his random teammates want to play with him again. That's something in between a premade and a PUG.
2. Try to join a game early before one side fills up. (E.g., if it's a 3v3, join before the lobby says 3/6). If someone kicks you immediately without saying anything, or goes down to the other side without saying anything, then you are probably facing a premade.
3. Ask teams to mix up players. If they don't want to, it's likely a premade.
That said, you might decide after awhile you want to play premades, just for a better game. They're not evil or anything like that. There's also a difference between premades using vent and premades without vent. And, as pointed out above, many of them aren't uber. However, you do have the right to know whether you're playing one or not, and hopefully the above signs help you figure it out.
Wow.. a reasonable and well thought out reply. As for your suggestions:
1. I didn't know this was possible, but I'll look into how to do this. Thanks for the tip.
2. I do this already.
3. I ask when I join and have never been told the truth. After a few minutes in the game it's clear if it's a premade. There are things that just don't happen with PUG players and must be voice comm. Things like all 3 players immediately and simultaneously teleporting to a flag and ganking you while trying to cap. In a pug, IF I see an opportunity, I can type it in chat, describing the flag, and hope my teammates are reading chat, have a teleport scroll, and/or give a fuck what I'm saying.
To the naysayers, playing in a premade against a pug absolutely goes against the competitive spirit of the game. Of any game. We are all here to play and have fun. I understand there are players worse than me and players better than me and I'm fine with that. However, I don't want to play a game where one side has an advantage I cannot counter or match. Voice comm is most likely in almost all premades and that is a huge advantage over pug players. I can't get that coop from random teammates that quickly, and I might even just get "shut the fuck up noob I am not listening to you l2p blah blah"
I guess I don't expect anyone to listen, I just wanted to vent here. Hopefully the devs will read this and realize their system is fail and they need to fix it for the gamers out here that give a shit. There will always be the little kiddies that don't care about fair gaming and want to wave their epeens around. This post is not meant for them. It's meant for players that just want to play a fair game with others without any outside advantages.
