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Looking ahead to 2006

Signs do not look good for Democrats

November 19, 2004 2:29:08 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
From The Washington Times, OP-ED
(link follows:) Looking ahead to 2006
Signs do not look good for Democrats

By Barry Casselman
... With the GOP now comfortably ahead there and one-third of the Senate up again in 2006, it might be speculated that the Democrats would have an advantage then, especially with a lame duck Republican president in the White House.
But this does not seem to be the case. First of all, there are 18 seats held by Democrats up in 2006 and only 14 held by Republicans. Second, an examination of incumbents likely to run for re-election reveals that for now few of the Republicans seem vulnerable.
...
The almost zero opportunity for the Democrats to regain the control of the Senate for at least four years has already caused several Senate incumbents to consider seriously leaving the Senate to run for governor in their states. Sen. Jon Corzine, who is up in 2006, is seriously considering running for governor of New Jersey. Sen. Charles Schumer made noises about running for governor of New York, but has now apparently decided to remain in Washington.
All of this signals unpleasant times ahead for Democrats in the Senate. ...


Well worth a read and discussion. It looks like the Jesusland voters will be winning a few more seats if things don't change drastically in the next few years.
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Reply #1 November 19, 2004 2:35:56 PM
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Jesusland voters? And you wonder why you're losing losing elections. I really don't know where this irrational fear that we GOPers want to institute a theocracy. Nothing could be further from the truth! This fear and hatred of religious people in this country is going to be the Democratic Party's downfall. Do I call the blue states a collection of heathen sodomites? No. All I ever hear is that the Left and the Democratic Party stand for tolerance. Well, where is the tolerance for religion? This country has always been about freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
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Reply #2 November 19, 2004 2:44:01 PM
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Reply #1 By: Daniel Ruoss - 11/19/2004 2:35:56 PM
Jesusland voters? And you wonder why you're losing losing elections. I really don't know where this irrational fear that we GOPers want to institute a theocracy. Nothing could be further from the truth! This fear and hatred of religious people in this country is going to be the Democratic Party's downfall. Do I call the blue states a collection of heathen sodomites? No. All I ever hear is that the Left and the Democratic Party stand for tolerance. Well, where is the tolerance for religion? This country has always been about freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.


Daniel, unfortunately is correct. Talk like that will NOT endear you to the religeous voters. And there are enough of them to make dang sure your party never makes it back into power! Me included!
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Reply #3 November 19, 2004 2:50:48 PM
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Damn you guys are presumptous. Read some of terp's other posts and you'll realize which side he's on.

*Apply hand to heel, carefully remove foot from mouth*

Damn.
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Reply #4 November 19, 2004 2:51:44 PM
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If you saw the sham that was the 2000 senate elections, you could count and figure out that the democrats were most vunerable this time around. And for those doing the Math, the reason it only adds up to 32, and not 33 or 34 is due to Jumping Jim Jeffords. He will probably win re-election being from the Socialist State of Vermont, but i dont think the democrats appreciate him any more. No one trusts a traitor.
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Reply #5 November 19, 2004 3:01:43 PM
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Fine. If I've assumed wrongly about Terp I apoligize. I'm just sick of hearing liberals compare anyone who wears a cross or a star of David to the Taliban. As a Christian I can say that I would be the first to pick up a gun and fight if a theocracy was being instituted in this country. The Pilgrims, while being extremely Christian, were seeking religious freedom in order to escape from the religious wars that were consuming Europe.
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Reply #6 November 19, 2004 3:19:26 PM
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Reply By: DeferencePosted: Friday, November 19, 2004Damn you guys are presumptous. Read some of terp's other posts and you'll realize which side he's on. *Apply hand to heel, carefully remove foot from mouth*Damn.


That earned you a bonus "insightful" rating there Deference.

Seriously, I'm really not on either side, but it is interesting that some folks may have assumed that my use of the liberal slur for conservative voters ('jesusland voters') may have had that effect.

Personally, I consider myself a moderate. I lean conservative for the pro-business and pro-growth aspects. At the same time, I occassionally bleed a little and support worthy causes and issues that the left and liberal side would be interested in.

More often than not lately, I tend to lean more to the conservative side because I'm sick of seeing groups like the ACLU try to destroy the country from within by outlawing prayer in schools, the words "under god" (if they had their way) out of the pledge of allegiance and/or by getting the pledge of allegiance dropped entirely from our culture, and other similar issues.

I questioned in a different thread "what am I" in response to Myrrander's labelling of some as religious zealot types. I don't want to give too many more hints, though I think you are probably on the right track in many ways.

I guess I'm one that looks at things and knows that we don't know all of the answers, and even then answers that science comes up with require faith. At the same time, I am not sure that placing faith in any one religion is the answer either.

In anycase, I tossed up this topic because it is an interesting look ahead at what may be coming for the next (2006) election. Those that think that they can hang on for just a while longer before things shift back to the liberal side may be surprised a few years from now when they see even more lost seats.

Personally, I'm not sure that would be an entirely good thing, as I tend to like government from the middle, which requires consensus building to get things accomplished. I don't necessarily want a filibuster proof majority by Republicans. I'd rather know that if someone truly is a "radical conservative" that they can be slowed or stopped by a minority that bands together and blocks an appointment in favor of seeing a more moderate nominee or candidate for a job.

I do support (primarily) conservative judges (see other articles) that defer to the law and don't try to create their own, but I do not necessarily appreciate jurists that toss cases on technicalities when an alleged perpetrator has been caught dead to rights but unfortunately were read their rights just a few seconds too late.
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Reply #7 November 19, 2004 3:41:27 PM
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Oh, one other thing Terp. Hillary is coming up for re-election in 06. Schumer just got re-elected, so he is safe for another 6.
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Reply #8 November 19, 2004 4:55:19 PM
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Reply #7 By: Citizen Dr. Guy - 11/19/2004 3:41:27 PM
Oh, one other thing Terp. Hillary is coming up for re-election in 06. Schumer just got re-elected, so he is safe for another 6.


The names (which are only a few) that are mentioned in my original "article" or post came from the linked commentary.

Schumer was mentioned as someone that might step down and move into something back on the state level, rather than continuing to fight it out in the Senate when he knows he'd be in the minority.

You are right about Hillary being up for re-election in '06. She's mentioned as someone that might have a tough fight on her hands depending on who the candidate opposing her would be. Personally I don't see her as easy to beat in a run for the Senate in New York. She's done an adequate job in the Senate, though she certainly has also been incredibly shrill at times in attacks on the Bush administration (Sean Hannity frequently replays one of her most shrill attacks where she screams that "we have a right....") Not trying to paint with a broad brush, but New York is one of the most liberal states in the union (right up there with Massachusetts), and I just don't see where they'd opt to boot Hillary from the job. The speculation in the original commentary that I posted snippets from mentions Rudy G. as a potential opponent, and while he has a lot of appeal, I don't know that he could pull in enough of the liberal vote to really defeat Hillary. He also tends to be a bit too liberal for most conservatives, so it's not an automatic that he could inspire the "red state" people in New York to get out and vote for him.

Many of the other races mentioned are interesting also, certainly well worth reading the original commentary for.

Personally I'm most hopeful that perhaps sometime soon we'll see the retirement of Robert Byrd (D-WV). I guess I should be careful with my words though, as I'm hopeful that it will happen, but not confident it's gonna happen that soon. He's shown in the past that he's not inclined to go anywhere and will stay in the Senate for as long as he can continue to bring home plenty of pork to citizens of West Virginia. When he does go, unless things change radically, his seat will most likely fall to Republicans, as West Virginia has become more and more of a "red state" over the last few elections.

As a frequently frustrated resident of the state of Maryland, I'd love to see Sarbanes gone, as he's way past his prime and absolutely ignores my stance on issues like copyrights and fair use, satellite TV access (consumers should be able to buy signals from any areas they wish and should not be restricted to only receiving designated markets) and similar. I was really hoping that the little troll Babs Mikulski would have had a tougher fight in this recent election, but unfortunately I was yet again reminded that I'm being held captive by a bunch of "blue staters" that don't understand how they've had their needs ignored by the little panderer.

Finally, one of the names mentioned (mostly because of age though) is Kennedy (D-MA), who I'd also like to see gone, but who will most likely die in office clutching his brandy snifter. We could only hope that he'd consider retirement soon, but unfortunately that's not likely to happen until he has some hand picked heir to his throne.
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Reply #9 November 19, 2004 5:15:29 PM
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As a frequently frustrated resident of the state of Maryland, I'd love to see Sarbanes gone, as he's way past his prime and absolutely ignores my stance on issues like copyrights and fair use


I take it you are in agreement with Boucher? And are glad that Fritz is gone? (So am I)

I was really hoping that the little troll Babs Mikulski would have had a tougher fight in this recent election,


I really dont hear much about her. I know she is liberal. Is she any good for MD? (BTW, I am 100 Miles south of you so I loved the latest UVA score!)

The speculation in the original commentary that I posted snippets from mentions Rudy G. as a potential opponent, and while he has a lot of appeal, I don't know that he could pull in enough of the liberal vote to really defeat Hillary.


Well, I know he is great friends with Bush now after 9-11. And he owns NYC, and that is the key to NY. besides, they have Pataki, and the last 2 Mayors of NYC were moderate Republicans (some would say the latest is just a liberal). So I think her Majesty is scared of a Rudy run.

Personally I'm most hopeful that perhaps sometime soon we'll see the retirement of Robert Byrd (D-WV). I guess I should be careful with my words though, as I'm hopeful that it will happen, but not confident it's gonna happen that soon. He's shown in the past that he's not inclined to go anywhere and will stay in the Senate for as long as he can continue to bring home plenty of pork to citizens of West Virginia


Yea, like the head of the Coast guard being there! If the Democrats were truly altruistic, they would have booted him long ago! Fortunately, the North stole those counties from us about 140 years ago, and to my knowledge, none down here were sad to see it happen!

As For Schumer. If Pataki decides to run against him, he may think twice. But for now, I think he is use to being a minority. It will be interesting to see how Reid handles it versus Daschle.
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Reply #10 November 19, 2004 6:45:51 PM
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I really dont hear much about her. I know she is liberal. Is she any good for MD? (BTW, I am 100 Miles south of you so I loved the latest UVA score!)


Yeah, Babs (living example of little troll doll) is very liberal. She tried to run from her record when the competitor (E.J. Pipken) did a "who knew" campaign ad series that started detailing her support of prior tax increases and such. She went so far as to basically lie and/or mis-state prior positions so she could claim she was in favor of middle class tax cuts.

The best part of it all was her radio commercials where she mangled the language a bit and basically said she "wanted to keep people in the middle class." She was trying to say she was trying to keep people from falling behind and out of the middle class, but it sounded much more like a 'I want to keep people in their place' class warfare statement. It was actually pretty funny. Her fans (basically 66% of Maryland) love her and won't boot her, no matter how much she does counter to the interests of the citizens.

I take it you are in agreement with Boucher? And are glad that Fritz is gone? (So am I)


Yes, I do like Boucher. He is at least on the side of citizens when it comes to fair use. Too bad we can't lose a few more from the wrong side of that argument. And thanks to higher powers for stopping some of the prior garbage that Orrin Hatch hasn't gotten his way on a few of the bills he was working on (that all would have sold out consumer rights in favor of protecting Hollywood and the RIAA and such).


I'm pretty bummed today about my beloved Terps. They sucked pretty badly yesterday at Blacksburg (VA Tech) and had already done poorly against the Wahoos from Charlottesville previously. Not a good season for them this year, but hopefully they'll return to glory next season.

Meanwhile, there's always hoops season to start enjoying
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Reply #11 November 19, 2004 7:04:22 PM
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Meanwhile, there's always hoops season to start enjoying


It looks like it is Va and Fla in Football. I see a 4 way tie since va Tech lost marcus Vick. I see uva beating them.

But I hear good things about B'Ball. How is maryland this year? I dont look for Va to be much of a factor, but then I remember the glory years. And hope!

My sister hates Boucher just because he is a democrat. I am on his mailing list even tho he is not my rep! And you are right, hatch has got to go!

Guess the liberals on this list are having a hissy fit! I am supporting a Democrat and calling for a repubs defeat! Lions and Tigers and Bears! oh my!

Thanks for being the giant killer with them Fla teams! See you on the court!
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Reply #12 November 19, 2004 9:36:10 PM
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Yeah, Babs (living example of little troll doll) is very liberal. She tried to run from her record when the competitor (E.J. Pipken) did a "who knew" campaign ad series that started detailing her support of prior tax increases and such. She went so far as to basically lie and/or mis-state prior positions so she could claim she was in favor of middle class tax cuts.


Any different from the right stating Kerry voted 350 times to raise taxes?

I don't think there can be stated with any certainty at this point if a candidate is safe from being voted out. Additionally there is no mention that everyone in the House is up for re-election.
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Reply #13 November 20, 2004 1:43:36 PM
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I don't think there can be stated with any certainty at this point if a candidate is safe from being voted out. Additionally there is no mention that everyone in the House is up for re-election.


That is the way it should be. When a candidate betrays their constituency, boot their tail.
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