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Draginol
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Reply #51 June 5, 2009 12:43:42 PM
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You cannot be selective about them otherwise that sets a precedent to be selective about them in the future.

I just heard on the news that the ACLU is bringing a suit against some Christians (only heard a quick blurb) who dared pray at a graduation.  They also put something Christian on their caps and are in trouble with that as well from what they said on the news. 

So if anyone is selective it's the ACLU as most Christians have found out.  That's why I said earlier ....where are the ACLU when the Christian's rights are violated? 

 

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Reply #52 June 5, 2009 12:52:29 PM
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I just heard on the news that the ACLU is bringing a suit against some Christians (only heard a quick blurb) who dared pray at a graduation. They also put something Christian on their caps and are in trouble with that as well from what they said on the news.

 

You're talking about the schools in Santa Rosa, Florida right?

"The court has ensured that decisions about religion will be left in the hands of families and faith communities and not public school officials,"

btw, the officials even admitted to it.

I've got to agree with that; It should be. School is not where children, mine at least, should get their religious values

 

 

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Reply #53 June 5, 2009 1:34:50 PM
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You're talking about the schools in Santa Rosa, Florida right?

could be.  I didn't quite catch where this is.  Haven't had time to check it out yet.  But it's really not new news.  This happens every graduation.  The courts usually come down on the side of free speech when it goes to the courts.  What usually comes out is that while the kids are supposed to be allowed to express themselves freely the teachers and administrators are not allowed to push or preach any religion onto the kids. 

Usually the ACLU loses time and time again these types of cases on the grounds of freedom of religous expression and free speech.  But it doesn't seem to stop the ignorance.  Every year this still happens somewhere.  It's usually someone like Jay Sekulow who defends (and wins) these cases but by then it's too late for the graduates. 

 

 

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Reply #54 June 5, 2009 3:26:05 PM
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Usually the ACLU loses time and time again these types of cases on the grounds of freedom of religous expression and free speech.

In this case it isn't so much the freedom of religion, so much as they made children - other people's children - participate in the events. That my friend, is a no no in my book and I'm sure that some parents are not pleased either.

 

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Reply #55 June 5, 2009 9:19:08 PM
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i still wanna know more about them 15 person poker games.

long as i'm here tho, anyone care to offer an opinion on how differently this incident would be perceived if the couple and their guests were muslims who dressed the part?   or, if not an opinion, maybe a guess as to how much they woulda hadda come up with to make bail?

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Reply #56 June 5, 2009 11:14:56 PM
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Not playin' poker these days.  Tryin' to get my Euchre skills back up to speed.

long as i'm here tho, anyone care to offer an opinion on how differently this incident would be perceived if the couple and their guests were muslims who dressed the part? or, if not an opinion, maybe a guess as to how much they woulda hadda come up with to make bail?

You are such a card.  Ha, Ha.

You mean how much the guy whose car was dinged woulda hadda come up with to make bail for the hate crime of harrassing a Muslim?  You mean that guess?

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Reply #57 June 6, 2009 1:21:39 AM
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such a card

in the words of the sadly departed james francis durante, "everbody's tryin to get in on da act!"

the hate crime of harrassing a Muslim?

actually i figured after all 15 had been hauled in for suspicion of possibly considering attempted terrorist attacks with an enhancement of special circumstances (incidental conspiracy to perpetrate vandalism on an american-made motor vehicle within 12 hours of noon or midnight), the fbi could ihandle that part of it both before and after nserting a couple highly motivated  jihad-inciting confidential informants into their midst.

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Reply #58 June 7, 2009 1:54:52 AM
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actually i figured after all 15 had been hauled in for suspicion of possibly considering attempted terrorist attacks with an enhancement of special circumstances (incidental conspiracy to perpetrate vandalism on an american-made motor vehicle within 12 hours of noon or midnight), the fbi could ihandle that part of it both before and after nserting a couple highly motivated jihad-inciting confidential informants into their midst.

And it would have turned out they were just a group of muslim on their weekly prayer session.

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Reply #59 June 7, 2009 4:46:47 AM
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Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,
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You're talking about the schools in Santa Rosa, Florida right?
could be.  I didn't quite catch where this is.  Haven't had time to check it out yet.  But it's really not new news.  This happens every graduation.  The courts usually come down on the side of free speech when it goes to the courts.  What usually comes out is that while the kids are supposed to be allowed to express themselves freely the teachers and administrators are not allowed to push or preach any religion onto the kids. 

Usually the ACLU loses time and time again these types of cases on the grounds of freedom of religous expression and free speech.  But it doesn't seem to stop the ignorance.  Every year this still happens somewhere.  It's usually someone like Jay Sekulow who defends (and wins) these cases but by then it's too late for the graduates. 
 

Perhaps you should have looked.  They won this one, the public officals agreeded that they had broken the constuition in the entire region.

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Reply #60 June 7, 2009 4:49:11 AM
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http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/38717res20081203.html

A court case that the ACLU are bringing on behalf of a Pentecostal minister to enable him to carry on preaching.

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Reply #61 June 21, 2009 4:44:44 PM
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The ACLU Constantly files on behalf of people attempting to exercise their religion wherever they want to.  Conservatives just don't like people having civil liberties.  Considering the source of the article, "Fox News" and the target of the article "Sand Diego" I would bet there's more to the story than is presented there and it turns out San Diego is being much more reasonable than it seems.

 

By the way, it's not often I see that I agree with Brad politically.  I agree with his good business sense about DRM and now that both sides want to control our lives in different ways...

Although he forgot that conservatives don't just oppress in the name of "Security" but they want o force a particular branch of christian values on the entire population as well.

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Reply #62 June 21, 2009 5:20:35 PM
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Conservatives just don't like people having civil liberties.

Pretty rich considering that the liberals in charge right now are the faschists.

Although he forgot that conservatives don't just oppress in the name of "Security" but they want o force a particular branch of christian values on the entire population as well.

Interesting, I am highly conservative, and I am an atheist with a jewish background. I don't find my fellow republicans want to "force" christianity on me. I do find the democrats want to force socialism on me.

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Reply #63 June 22, 2009 11:19:26 AM
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Conservatives just don't like people having civil liberties.

Are you kidding me?  You must be very young and don't know any better. 

Interesting, I am highly conservative, and I am an atheist with a jewish background. I don't find my fellow republicans want to "force" christianity on me. I do find the democrats want to force socialism on me.

I can alsmost say the same with just a bit of tweaking.  I am highly conservative, a Christian with Jewish background.  And I agree with the rest. 

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Reply #64 June 22, 2009 11:47:00 AM
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I don't find my fellow republicans want to "force" christianity on me. I do find the democrats want to force socialism on me.

There's a difference between republican's and conservatives, and it's funny because I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone. Then again, I guess I am just one of those people that believes in free will and all. Silly me.

 

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Reply #65 June 22, 2009 12:23:04 PM
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We're about to be forced to buy health insurance, whether we want it or not.

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Reply #66 June 23, 2009 1:20:03 AM
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There's a difference between republican's and conservatives, and it's funny because I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone. Then again, I guess I am just one of those people that believes in free will and all. Silly me.

What does free will have to do with the government making rules, and promising to send uniformed men weilding guns if you disobey?

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Reply #67 June 23, 2009 11:11:51 AM
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i still wanna know more about them 15 person poker games.

You are such a card.

Does that mean Kingbee is going to play with himself?

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Reply #68 June 23, 2009 12:17:47 PM
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What does free will have to do with the government making rules, and promising to send uniformed men weilding guns if you disobey?

 

You truly think that we're gonna have uniformed men at our door if we don't buy health insurance? If you're serious, then you're being pwnd. Free will has a lot to do with it because it dictates what we do to a large extent. If there was no free will, then people would all behave a certain, proper, way. Everyone has free will, hence the power to obey or disobey...and if someone really believed that universal healthcare or some other gov't deal was wrong...then, assuming they were people of their word and all...they would disobey it.

 

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Reply #69 June 23, 2009 12:18:54 PM
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Does that mean Kingbee is going to play with himself?

 

Ewww, bad image.

 

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Reply #70 June 23, 2009 1:09:18 PM
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Ewww, bad image.

You turned an innocent question into something dirty, you pervert.

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Reply #71 June 23, 2009 1:18:42 PM
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What does free will have to do with the government making rules, and promising to send uniformed men weilding guns if you disobey?

Free will has a lot to do with it because it dictates what we do to a large extent.

The only one doing the dictating lately is the government.  Haven't you noticed?  Many of our rights are being taken away.  Last I knew I have no freewill when it comes to putting my seatbelt on.   It's either "click it or ticket." 

The latest proposal now on the books is that if you don't have health insurance you will be taxed another 2% on your tax return.  How about that for freewill?   Health insurance is going to be mandatory? 

If people can't afford health insurance do you think it wise to tax them more? 

Since when did health insurance become a right?  I can't find that in the constitution anywhere. 

We are getting way away from the constitution and free rights every day and more so with Obama at the helm.  The only free right I can see him allowing right now is the right to kill the unborn.  Everything else is at stake. 

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Reply #72 June 23, 2009 1:53:09 PM
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I don't know about the magical world you live in, but in the USA if you don't pay your taxes than the police (eventually) arrests you.

Since when did health insurance become a right?  I can't find that in the constitution anywhere.

A right that you PAY for and let the government decide how to disburse.

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Reply #73 June 23, 2009 2:00:35 PM
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 Last I knew I have no freewill when it comes to putting my seatbelt on.   It's either "click it or ticket." 

Oh, the humanity!

Stalinists! Everywhere! I just opened my fridge and there they were: 200 of them, hidden under the butter.

 

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Reply #74 June 23, 2009 2:57:21 PM
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Oh, the humanity!

Stalinists! Everywhere! I just opened my fridge and there they were: 200 of them, hidden under the butter.

 

With their riot gear on to subjigate you to a life without butter. Oh the cruelty of healthy eating! How dare they!

 

he only one doing the dictating lately is the government. Haven't you noticed? Many of our rights are being taken away. Last I knew I have no freewill when it comes to putting my seatbelt on. It's either "click it or ticket."

The latest proposal now on the books is that if you don't have health insurance you will be taxed another 2% on your tax return. How about that for freewill? Health insurance is going to be mandatory?

If people can't afford health insurance do you think it wise to tax them more?

Since when did health insurance become a right? I can't find that in the constitution anywhere.

We are getting way away from the constitution and free rights every day and more so with Obama at the helm. The only free right I can see him allowing right now is the right to kill the unborn. Everything else is at stake.

 

KFC...I order you to stand up, walk outside, and then shout outloud "I don't believe in God." Then, walk back inside.Why?

Don't want to do it? Don't believe in such things? Thinking, "No, I don't have to do that!"

Voila, free will; it's just like magic!

You can castigate others for what they are "apparently" forcing on you all you want. (I know, peer pressure and all...it's just so hard to say no...) However, ultimately, everything falls on you...because you still have your free will to obey and disobey, as well as the responsibility for the consequences for doing such.

I rest my case.

(You = rhetorical)

 

You turned an innocent question into something dirty, you pervert.

 

Who said I was implying something dirty? I didn't; you're the one that is assuming such. I never said it. For all you know, I could be lamenting the unfortunate circumstances of playing cards by ones self.

 

 

~Alderic

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Reply #75 June 23, 2009 2:58:29 PM
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The latest proposal now on the books is that if you don't have health insurance you will be taxed another 2% on your tax return. How about that for freewill? Health insurance is going to be mandatory?

 

In our society/system...you HAVE to pay taxes right?Well, Geithner and others didn't. Hence - free will.

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