Erebus, how do you defeat him? » Forum Post by OrexxerO

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Quoting OhLordE,

Also, you have high armor, but bite also reduces that amount as well.

Well, bad news for rook players, you have average armor. Wanna kill Erebus in 1v1 ? Just don't play rook. Actually I wouldn't play rook at all in 1v1. Erebus is definitely one of the best 1v1 choices with sedna.

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Rook's armour is so low that I would go as far as calling him squishy.

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Hey Lord I know you didn't actually think I sucked, but I was just refuting the possibility so you knew you weren't dealing with a complete moron Rook player who has only been beatin once by Erebus and then came whining here. Its happened plenty to me and thats why I cam here heh.

And yeah as you noticed in that game its pretty rapage for Erebus to kill a Rook. And see the problem I have with countering Erebus is that to do so at the moment I would have to spend every cent of my gold on speeding up attack power which most of those items cost quite a bit....so essentially Erebus would force me to use all my gold on myself instead of citadel upgrades....which is what really wins games in the long run. But I could try it I suppose. Save up for a Mage Slayer and see if that would help out at all.....

Either they need to give the Rook better base Damage or Health as well....a giant walking Castle should have or modify Erebus slightly then I don't know.....

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There are various stratagies in my Erebus Guide for beating him. Although they don't really apply to rook in one on one(since Rook is really bad in one on one to begin with, and Erebus ends up being very good in duels), they might be of some use.

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Try using any character who has a quick interupt or stun. Oak's penitance works well for this. Now then, as soon as you think they are going to use bite, pop off your stun or interupt. With good timing, you can keep bite attacks to a minimum. Also, Erebus is very very squishy. Tends to be vulnerable to burst damage that is unexpected. Again, oaks penitance does wonders here. Overall, Erebus is a timing match. If you can keep your interupt running well, he is toast.

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Doesn't bite have 0 cast time?

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Mmyes

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Erebus is overpowered. A skilled erebus player will defeat everyone and anyone else of similar skill. Why? Because he doesn't have a counter. He counters Reg and Rook easily and can take on Oak as well. What this equates to is, Pantheon is fucking screwed until Erebus is nerfed. There's nothing you can do except wait for some nerf patches. People just need to face it, Erebus is undeniably overpowered.

I at first made a big deal about UB, and although UB has like maybe 1 or 2 slightly OP moves and unmatched advanatge in early game... Erebus has an entire moveset combo that is absolutely unbeatable and uncounterable. It is not only easy to pull it off, but easy to flee as well, combine that with being able to sap health with bite and you just have one reciduclously overpowered character. I don't think I've seen any unbalances in a game as bad as this one before. lol.

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I actually can counter the UB and don't find him very OP at all. Hes tough, and ive lost games to him, but more due to my stupidity I admit not because he is overpowered. But there is practically nothing to do against Erebus.

And if Bite has 0 cast time then as Rook with his only stun move is bolder AFTER the stun is over he just bites you and regains the health damage you JUST did to him. You can't stop him from biting you, at all, not as Rook. And I don't want to be forced to play as another character I may not like as much as the Rook just because the character is literally impossible to beat as my favorite.....I have just found no way to defeat him, in every game I lose, even if I kill him 3 times earlier in the game later game yea right its not even possible, even with a high-armor/health Rook with Hammer Slam and Bolder Roll.

And Bolder Roll has one of the shortest stun times doesn't it?

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I have never had a bite interrupted nor heard of it happening. I'm not sure it's even possible. The only one of Easy-E's spells that is really interruptable is Mass Charm (Swarm of Bats has .1 sec cast time and Mist is instant), but if you're focusing on negating that small advantage (which really only becomes important in late game when E gets Muddle), you're probably dead, anyway.

Lord Erebus is clearly the strongest anti-DG character in the game, narrowly ahead of UB. In a straight 1v1 battle, Erebus is OP. He is not, however, clearly the strongest DG in a team game, where his lack of effectiveness against towers and creeps (Something UB does not suffer) relegates him to a sort of tank/hunter role which is fun to play, but cannot win a match alone. In the team game, Erebus needs his teammates, as he cannot achieve a decisive tactical advantage simply by killing enemy DGs. In my opinion, Erebus is among the strongest of the DGs, but not a nerfing candidate. It is, after all, mostly a team game.

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So what Viel? We wait till stardock updates the game so we can have official teams and then have to come up with very complicated strategies just to counter one person on the opposing side?

The only reason that the Dark Forces are winning the Pantheon is due to Erebus I bet you. And I can actually take on and fight a UB 1 on 1 early to mid game, late game if he gets a Artifact I may be screwed by thats my fault really. Erebus can take me on Early, MIddle, and late game without hardely a problem. And if he DOES get kills that DOES help his team as he can upgrade their citadel very fast and with impunity, and since he is very fast he can take enemy flags easily as well, thus flag control for his team will be very simple and near impossible to stop.

Also, the fact that he is better at killing DG's as a General is kind of a misnomer, aren't Generals supposed to be better at moving the tide of battle to their favor? Not murdering enemy Demigods with ease? I mean sure the General classes can still bite and hold their own but I would expect the UB to be tearing up a enemies demigods, not a General.

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Quoting Vielfrass,

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where his lack of effectiveness against towers and creeps

Mist ftw against creeps.

You're totally right about the towers, still trying to come up with a more effective solution for getting rid of them rather than just tinkering away.

But hunting and trying to pick off DG's is my number one priority. The only two I'm wary of are UB and Sedna if she's shown to be skilled earlier in the game, thenI try to 2v1 them.

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Mists damage against creeps is laughable. You're better off slugging through them, or just using bats on them.

Quoting Protocept00,

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Erebus is overpowered. A skilled erebus player will defeat everyone and anyone else of similar skill. Why? Because he doesn't have a counter. He counters Reg and Rook easily and can take on Oak as well. What this equates to is, Pantheon is fucking screwed until Erebus is nerfed. There's nothing you can do except wait for some nerf patches. People just need to face it, Erebus is undeniably overpowered.

I at first made a big deal about UB, and although UB has like maybe 1 or 2 slightly OP moves and unmatched advanatge in early game... Erebus has an entire moveset combo that is absolutely unbeatable and uncounterable. It is not only easy to pull it off, but easy to flee as well, combine that with being able to sap health with bite and you just have one reciduclously overpowered character. I don't think I've seen any unbalances in a game as bad as this one before. lol.

You are aware that Erebus lacks the ability to actually win any games, as he can't really kill a citadel(weak attacks, and squishy nature, as well as having no skills to actually hurt it with, mean that his anti-citadel abilities are pitiful at best). Erebus needs allies if he wants to win. Sure, he's probably overpowered if you look solely at anti-demigod combat, but that's not what it's about. Erebus doesn't win games, he just helps you get there.

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Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler,

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Mists damage against creeps is laughable. You're better off slugging through them, or just using bats on them.

You are aware that Erebus lacks the ability to actually win any games, as he can't really kill a citadel(weak attacks, and squishy nature, as well as having no skills to actually hurt it with, mean that his anti-citadel abilities are pitiful at best). Erebus needs allies if he wants to win. Sure, he's probably overpowered if you look solely at anti-demigod combat, but that's not what it's about. Erebus doesn't win games, he just helps you get there.

Well, after reading your guide, I use mist and you don't, so I could see that viewpoint, but in my personal strategy I put several points in it, actually maxing out at level 15, so at level 3 it's not so laughable, and later levels really help in late games or two waves of creeps and also DG's who roll with / attack with their own minions and grunt waves. Mist kills his minions and grunts, whilst keeping mine alive, and then I pop back up with all my minions and kill him. But, to each his own.

Erebus biggest problem is towers for sure. My current strategy to attacking with waves of grunts and my minions and just get in there and wack away, running away should all my creeps die. But like Guildford said, this is a team game, and Erebus is good at hunting people down, and leaves tower destruction to people like Regulus, QoT, Rook, and UB.

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Ive seen Erebus take down two towers 3 minutes into the game with two healer minions and a large army of Night Crawlers. So thats not true. And of course he doesn't take down the Citadel by himself, but killing off all the Demigods gives him more then enough gold to buy all the way up to Giants and screw the other team over anyways. And if Giants get their clutches on the citadel its pretty close to GG unless a Miracle happens.

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Erebus is squishy and the bite is the only thing that keeps him alive.

Sedna and QoT can outlive him with heal and Shield.

Oak kan shield himself to prevent bite (very good to use with HoT)

Beast and Reg outdamage him.

Frost TB can increase his cooldown to forever, so no bite there.

I guess Rook might have some problems but if he stays with his towers and fight, he might make it. Boots of speed and Wand of speed is highly recommended. Maybe tower munching can help him outlive the whole thing.

I think the problem is fleeing, he will get you and he will suck the life out of you. Don't try to escape erebus unless you are certain that you can do it.

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Early game, I run the fuck away, late game I just smash him in the face - though often I can't finish him off and he legs it pretty quick.

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Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler,

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You are aware that Erebus lacks the ability to actually win any games, as he can't really kill a citadel(weak attacks, and squishy nature, as well as having no skills to actually hurt it with, mean that his anti-citadel abilities are pitiful at best). Erebus needs allies if he wants to win. Sure, he's probably overpowered if you look solely at anti-demigod combat, but that's not what it's about. Erebus doesn't win games, he just helps you get there.

That's sort of an inaccurate statement considering that DG's aren't usually the one's taking citadels down. That's what catapults and giants are for.

If an overpowered DG can hunt you and take you out the whole game, then he can easily amass the gold for the pults and giants on top of having better gear. Not to mention, outflag and outlevel you.

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I have problems with erebus in early game, then again I have problems with everything early game. Anyway, when it gets to mid/late game, Erebus just can't kill me, as Oak I just time my shield for when I see him doing a stun or if i get too low, after that I chuck up heart of life, and come out of it with full health/mana, A quick Penitence followed by Surge of Faith and my minions+Oak tear him to pieces.

Often though I find Erebus runs away from me more than anything. Erebus isn't that overpowered, however if you let him get an early advantage over you...yeh..

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Quoting fraggelsmurf,

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Erebus is squishy and the bite is the only thing that keeps him alive.

Well, it is a huge part of it, but being able to avoid damage with mist and bat swarm are important too.

Quoting fraggelsmurf,

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Sedna and QoT can outlive him with heal and Shield.

Word, this can be a big problem for me sometimes.

Quoting fraggelsmurf,

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I think the problem is fleeing, he will get you and he will suck the life out of you. Don't try to escape erebus unless you are certain that you can do it.

Indeed.

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Erebus's strength is his ability to escape; he however has, what seem to be, several critical weaknesses, and there is some advice I can give in dealing with him.

He is very mana dependant and requires a great deal of itemization to overcome this, he therefore has mana trouble early game and if you can afford it he doesn’t like the warlords punisher item(I think its to pricey) for these reasons.

The symbol of purity is also useful for removing the movement and armor debuff from bite, and the heart of life can be used for a minimum of 2 full seconds when he enters mist as he can not leave the form instantly. Also, as mist is his only way of farming creeps, other than his low damage melee attack, I recommend taking the armor upgrade from the citadel to slow his leveling down.

Erebus does not like towers, if you are a Rook building a tower farm can make things very complicated for Erebus. If you are any character with a dot (i.e. UB) do not spit right away, focus on attack speed items, force Erebus into mist, and when he leaves it because bite cool down is over, or because he is out of mana, then spit/debuff/whatever, he will not be able to mist again for 7 seconds.

Once you are in mid-game when Erebus reaches level 10 I recommend avoiding him, run/teleport do anything but engage him directly, focus on creep killing and leveling because at level 10 Erebus gets his last level of bite which Steals 900 health, reduces armor by 800, slows by 30%, but this is his most powerful move, so as strong as he is mid-game, that’s about how strong he is going to stay, his bite will stay the same while you continue to gain in level, and when it gets to late game he will no longer have an advantage over you.

Erebus is not OP; no demigod is when their move sets are taken in sum with citadel strategy and teammates.

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Quoting Beardking,

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He is very mana dependant and requires a great deal of itemization to overcome this

Dealing with the mana issue is a BIG problem till about level 5. Early our hits are dinky and we are squishy, once we run out of mana and there's no more bite = huge problem.

Two items and mana is no problem. Total cost = 6,000g

Vlemish Faceguard 1750g and Heart Of Life 4250g

Vlemish for the Mana Regen, then Heart of life boost Mana Regen by 50%, and if I ever run out, get outta battle and pop Heart of Life.

If that's not enough (which it definitely is) Throw in splendor battlecrown for 1500g, then mana is no problem. I can mist, bite, stun, and teleport to my hearts content.

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Erebus is squishy and the bite is the only thing that keeps him alive.

Sedna and QoT can outlive him with heal and Shield.

Oak kan shield himself to prevent bite (very good to use with HoT)

Beast and Reg outdamage him.

Frost TB can increase his cooldown to forever, so no bite there.

I guess Rook might have some problems but if he stays with his towers and fight, he might make it. Boots of speed and Wand of speed is highly recommended. Maybe tower munching can help him outlive the whole thing.

Heres a problem there bud. In Pantheon games you NEVER will have a UB or TB on your own team, they will always be with the Erebus. Im NOT talking about custom games or anything where you can actually switch heroes to counter another before the game starts.

So anyways....and Regulus just, no, no way dude I have seen Regulus DIE way more to Erebus then have any chance of survival. And if Regulus, who is pretty fast for a hero I would think, still gets chased down by Erebus and either bitten a second time for a kill or slowed enough for Erebus to rape anyways.

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